female wanderers

[Glow]

You are reducing what I am saying.

And you're reading into what I'm saying. Who said that women don't go on hero journeys? I'm talking about just a small aspect of life. No, the totality of a woman's life is not based on superficial courtships in her youth. Does it even need to be said?

Sure there could be a princess archetype but to claim the hero’s journey is male is rediculous. Even the originator himself said “it is found in every great storey ever told. Not every great male storey, every great storey.

He said the hero journey decribed male initiation into manhood. So what? Where did he say women can't go on hero journeys? Like every story of transformation can be made to fit into the hero's journey. So are women just not allowed to transform ever, except when told by men?

Who honestly thinks that!? You must think we're all drooling 2-dimensional idiots with bigotry for brains.

And you know what, who a woman chooses to have a child with is EXTREMELY important, to her happiness, the child's happiness and even society as a whole. The fall from vanity/pride to humbleness/modesty is very important in a general sense for women AND men.

As to saying womens has to do with loss of wealth or value that is a societal construct. The perceived loss of value for women, and gaining of value for men YIKES do you see where that idea came from?

It’s not reality.
That’s men deciding their red ray determines women’s value and women believing what they are told.

Glow, it's in the definition, sexual MARKET value. Yes of course it's a social construct. And yes, of course men decide what gives women sexual market value, just like women decide what gives men their sexual market value.

It's like women get their ideas about men from Hollywood, thinking they should all work till they drop dead while playing the sauve bond type. "Happy wife, happy life" afterall. See how this game is played. But NO-ONE is saying YOU or ANYONE needs to play this stupid game.

Sure the princess storey can be part of a hero’s journey but it certainly is not the 1 option for women in their hero’s journey. We are quite varied, and full of potential for transformation.

Actually, the female initiation story spoken about was realising that the 'princess' role is a temptation and full of lies to keep women AWAY from their potential and wisdom, which is in opposition to the Cinderella story (where a man saves the day) which is way more popular in popular media.

But at the end of the day, who cares, these are all just ideas. People are allowed to think whatever the ell they want.

I think it's a pretty common thing for women in their early 20's to come across/be offered a relationship based on status, but it's likely that a wanderess will see it for the gilded cage that it is. Who would stay in a relationship where their true self remained invisible for riches?

I watched a video recently about how well defined the male initiation myth of the hero's journey is so well established in our cultures, but the female inititaion story is not so well founded and it was described as a fall from riches to rags, where the prized status and riches of being a princess are stripped away and she decends into a life of poverty and struggle in which true meaning and love is appreciated and understood. A kind of reverse cinderella.

He actually did say the hero’s journey was the male initiation myth. Then offered an ulternate obviously more clearly limited transformation to be the female initiation storey.

I’m not arguing anything about what you enjoy, it how they wish you walk their path.

My response was in this and has been clearly stated.
They believe the hero’s journey to be men’s initiation storey, offering up a very shallow limited version as the female version

the hero’s journey is not a male initiation storey “it is in all great stories” not great men’s storeys, great storeys.

I only respond I responded to your comment to me is because you called me out for not being on board which the assertion and limiting discussion when honestly I was not at all on board and was trying to explain why.

Like you said it’s one aspect. But that’s not at all what was presented and I was responding to.