05-06-2020, 11:07 PM
(05-06-2020, 10:16 PM)Glow Wrote: You are reducing what I am saying.
And you're reading into what I'm saying. Who said that women don't go on hero journeys? I'm talking about just a small aspect of life. No, the totality of a woman's life is not based on superficial courtships in her youth. Does it even need to be said?
(05-06-2020, 10:16 PM)Glow Wrote: Sure there could be a princess archetype but to claim the hero’s journey is male is rediculous. Even the originator himself said “it is found in every great storey ever told. Not every great male storey, every great storey.
He said the hero journey decribed male initiation into manhood. So what? Where did he say women can't go on hero journeys? Like every story of transformation can be made to fit into the hero's journey. So are women just not allowed to transform ever, except when told by men?
Who honestly thinks that!? You must think we're all drooling 2-dimensional idiots with bigotry for brains.
And you know what, who a woman chooses to have a child with is EXTREMELY important, to her happiness, the child's happiness and even society as a whole. The fall from vanity/pride to humbleness/modesty is very important in a general sense for women AND men.
(05-06-2020, 10:16 PM)Glow Wrote: As to saying womens has to do with loss of wealth or value that is a societal construct. The perceived loss of value for women, and gaining of value for men YIKES do you see where that idea came from?Glow, it's in the definition, sexual MARKET value. Yes of course it's a social construct. And yes, of course men decide what gives women sexual market value, just like women decide what gives men their sexual market value.
It’s not reality.
That’s men deciding their red ray determines women’s value and women believing what they are told.
It's like women get their ideas about men from Hollywood, thinking they should all work till they drop dead while playing the sauve bond type. "Happy wife, happy life" afterall. See how this game is played. But NO-ONE is saying YOU or ANYONE needs to play this stupid game.
(05-06-2020, 10:16 PM)Glow Wrote: Sure the princess storey can be part of a hero’s journey but it certainly is not the 1 option for women in their hero’s journey. We are quite varied, and full of potential for transformation.
Actually, the female initiation story spoken about was realising that the 'princess' role is a temptation and full of lies to keep women AWAY from their potential and wisdom, which is in opposition to the Cinderella story (where a man saves the day) which is way more popular in popular media.
But at the end of the day, who cares, these are all just ideas. People are allowed to think whatever the ell they want.