05-04-2020, 04:56 PM
@Agua: In part, we are (currently) on different footings about spirituality, but in part, I think personal differences in language use make that difference look bigger than it is.
The biggest difference in our thinking is that I separate things into some large categories. I see a distinction between living life in a more "automatic" way, without choices that matter, and a life which distinctly goes somewhere, spiritually. From that, I separate things into things which matter and things which do not matter. The "merely physical" being spiritually neutral.
There's not a simple binary division between physical and "abstract spirituality", however. I used a single word, "psychosocial", to express a lot. The meaning: how people relate to and interact with both themselves and one another (and other beings, including animals). That word was there as the glue between the abstract and the concrete. Sometimes I put things too shortly for others to be able to see the thinking.
The topic of factory farming ties into the psychosocial, since it has to do with how other beings are treated. Hoping that this won't get too annoying, I'll further tie that back to the opening philosophical idea, noting that what comes from people has plenty to do with factory farming, it being an example of something very bad. Something worth not supporting, and worth supporting a better way than.
@Diana: In the modern day, there's certainly the resources to put together healthier vegetarian diets. Since you basically take care of yourself, you are not among the people with a particular kind of body-damaging lifestyle I mentioned. (In some other ways, by the way, like lack of exercise, I myself don't really live a truly healthy life. I don't think the bad habits I have make me more spiritual, unlike some who lead unhealthy lives, however.)
I think that, in relation to a life of "living on light", 3D biological life is a dead end. Such a thing is not of the world of the physical senses. I think that the future is one of ultimately no longer incarnating into bodies like this one, and instead existing in a different type of living structure.
The biggest difference in our thinking is that I separate things into some large categories. I see a distinction between living life in a more "automatic" way, without choices that matter, and a life which distinctly goes somewhere, spiritually. From that, I separate things into things which matter and things which do not matter. The "merely physical" being spiritually neutral.
There's not a simple binary division between physical and "abstract spirituality", however. I used a single word, "psychosocial", to express a lot. The meaning: how people relate to and interact with both themselves and one another (and other beings, including animals). That word was there as the glue between the abstract and the concrete. Sometimes I put things too shortly for others to be able to see the thinking.
The topic of factory farming ties into the psychosocial, since it has to do with how other beings are treated. Hoping that this won't get too annoying, I'll further tie that back to the opening philosophical idea, noting that what comes from people has plenty to do with factory farming, it being an example of something very bad. Something worth not supporting, and worth supporting a better way than.
@Diana: In the modern day, there's certainly the resources to put together healthier vegetarian diets. Since you basically take care of yourself, you are not among the people with a particular kind of body-damaging lifestyle I mentioned. (In some other ways, by the way, like lack of exercise, I myself don't really live a truly healthy life. I don't think the bad habits I have make me more spiritual, unlike some who lead unhealthy lives, however.)
I think that, in relation to a life of "living on light", 3D biological life is a dead end. Such a thing is not of the world of the physical senses. I think that the future is one of ultimately no longer incarnating into bodies like this one, and instead existing in a different type of living structure.