Dolores Cannon says we are in 5D already

[Navaratna]

To me, the infinite divisions in space/time are different from the infinite divisions in time/space. Beyond this, I could only speculate that the divisions in space/time correspond to the different kinds of people we meet in the world (From the more "survival oriented" to the more "angelic" people). And the divisions in time/space correspond to the different inner planes (Based on what was mentioned in the LOO books: astral, devachanic, etc). 

So, that's exactly how I think.

What I was trying to point out previously was that because we are able to see them when they allow it, that this indicates we share the same space as them. Though this being a mechanical point, I think it is perhaps not as useful.

So, my point is: the environment and all "objects" of the fourth density exist in another range of vibration. Just like each TV channel there are different bands. Just as the astral plane exists in a different vibration range from that of our physical plane.

Yes, I agree with you, but I think this discussion arose as our views differ on how it relates to space and time. 

I did not say that they are not sacred. I just said that its characteristics are distinct. The first three densities exist to prepare the entity for choice (to create spiritual viability). The rest of the densities are to refine this choice, even so it makes sense to exist separate from the first three.

I agree that what you said seems consistent and supports your view, but personally I do not see it as a sufficient reason, for me, to have a separation from the first three densities. It is also not required for my view.

No, but that is the representation of the fourth density in our third density. The fourth density would be a kind of more complex astral plane.

I would agree that it is a helpful way to visualize fourth density, given that we are living in third density and subjected to its various limitations. 

Yes, I also see it that way. In fact, it would be interesting to research if there is any scientific "debate" about the fourth spatial dimension (tesseract) x time as the fourth dimension.

I am sure there would be. Many scientists has agreed that there are still many things they do not understand about time. I think some scientists are trying to develop theories that exclude time as a dimension. But given that general relativity, which established time as the 4th dimension and makes gps technology possible, is still one of the important cornerstone of physics, any new theories will have to match the achievements of it.
 
I think one of the more popular theory is string theory/M-theory which models particles as one dimensional vibrating strings (sounds familiar?) instead of the conventional zero dimensional points, and which predicted that the world should have 10 or 11 dimensions. They have their own explanations of why we only observed 3 space+1 time but I find it rather unconvincing. However, it is still theoretical and they have not found any experimental proof of the theory afaik, unlike the two currently accepted theories general relativity and quantum mechanics. 

First possible explanation:
This is based on extrapolation from my own experience rather than what Ra or Q'uo said. There was a time when I was lying on the bed that I felt that I could sense the sky outside through the roof and it made my felt quite naked and uncomfortable. What this suggest to me was that it may be possible that a properly trained entity would be able to have conscious awareness of the unity of reality and through this connection be able to observe without obstruction. We can't see the inside of a box because light does not reach the inside, but with awareness and connection with all particles within the box, we can "see" the interior.

It is difficult to judge this experience. In the Leadbeater's book he talks about a clairvoyance below astral clairvoyance, etheric clairvoyance, which allows you to see through objects (like x-ray vision). However, I don't know if it's related to your experience.

I agree it is questionable how my experience might relate to Leadbeater's experience, but it is sufficient to allow me to believe that his experiences are possible. I would go with the second explanation as the more probable one though.

Second possible explanation:
In my view, my interpretation of time/space is that time is the active portion and space is "fluid". An analogy is a video player but which has 3 time sliders to see all possible past/future. Because space is "fluid", one will be able to seemingly "pass" through objects and see the inside. I think an analogy is that of the no-clip mode in 3D games or 3D programs, where you can fly through walls and see the interiors. 
The description is part intuition and part interpretation from the LOO material.
I think the description of the result is the same as yours, except that there are still only 3 spatial dimensions in mine. 

Now I understand, although I disagree.

Yes, because it is part of my view which disagree with your view. 

Can you take a look at this and offer your opinion
https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthre...?tid=18170
I'm wondering about how little attention anyone has given this..

Maybe I should have tried to make the connection between human experience and light frequencies the focus of the topic, but I had assumed more people on this forum were familiar with the I Ching as a lunar calendar/zodiac.

It's incredible to me that it shows a relationship between days that shape biology [moon shapes tide/female mental states] and light. 49 days, 49 octaves. 64 days/DNA codons /384 days.

81 days, 81st octave.

49th octave of electromagnetic spectrum is visible human experience of ROYGBIV. The 4th density by my reasoning is green ray/anahata/hearth chakra
50th is ultravioletlight

8th density in the influence of the moon
9th is influence of the sun, and rubies mentioned in the Ra material are relevant to this density because of the way that they transmit/amplify light
[9th navaratna is ruby/sun]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_laser
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rub...ttance.svg


https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthre...?tid=18170

This also shows a yet unrelated connection between 3rd and 8th density. The tarot is an element of 3rd density, and there are 4 zodiac houses. 6 times 4 zodiac ages. 6 times [4288] a zodiac age is-- 25728 years, one precession of the equinox.

This is a missing link between intertwining the frequency of light, the passage of days, and the maximum energy of a hologram of the entire universe as it appears in an individuals mind

http://sahajayogaencyclopedia.org/index....Sahastrara

God has created fourteen levels within us. If you simply count them, then you know that there are seven chakras within us. Beside these, there are two more chakras, about which you do not talk much. They are the Chakra of Moon (Lalita) and Chakra of Sun (Shri). Then there is Hamsa Chakra. Thus, there are three more. Seven plus three makes ten. Then there are four chakras above Sahasrara. And about these chakras also I have told you: Ardha-bindu, Bindu, Valaya, and Pradakshina. These are the four. After coming to Sahaja Yoga and after your Sahasrara has opened, you have to pass through these four chakras, Ardha-bindu, Bindu, Valay, and Pradakshina. After passing through these four chakras only you can say that you have become a Sahaja yogi. And if you see from another angle, we have to cross fourteen stages in reaching up to Sahasrara. If you divide them then there are seven chakras situated on the Ida Nadi and seven on the Pingala Nadi. ... This 'fourteen' is very important in Kundalini Shashtra (science). Very important. It's a very important thing. We should fully understand that we become entitled to the blessings of Sahaja Yoga only after rising above these fourteen stages. (14th Sahasrara Day 1983)


Dearest, (in the pinda exist) the chakras of five lines, 16 lines, sixty four petals, the truly beautiful 100 petal (lotus)[Agnya?] and the beautiful thousand petal lotus [Sahasrara] and above this is a very brilliant 10,000,000 petal lotus. Above the 10 million petal lotus is a 30,000,000 petal lotus, each pericarp of which is similar to a flame. Above this is the all encompassing, eternal, undivided, independent, steady lotus – pervading all, stainless. By its will (sveccha) it causes creation and dissolution. Both the animate and inaminate are dissolved in this linga. (Kaulajnananirnaya Tantra, a Nath text)