04-08-2020, 02:22 AM
(This post was last modified: 04-08-2020, 02:52 AM by EvolvingPhoenix.)
Louisabell, the question posed was this: does one have to DO anything to be STO.
Meaning he is asking whether simply FEELING is enough or if DOING is enough.
I insist FEELING is not and DOING is necessary. At least if you're trying to polarize or whatever.
"Does it occur to anyone that these discussions are very important and valuable. That being "socially isolated", writing on a keyboard, putting your thoughts out there for all to see, is exactly the type of service you are best suited for?"
Gee, WHERE could I have gotten the notion that you are promoting the idea that just typing up s*** on a keyboard is enough? You didn't say "Typing on a forum is ONE act of service you can do" You said iot might be the kind one is best suited for.
I disagree. I think it's very EASY to get the notion that sitting around and just spending all day on the computer is an act of service, but it's not. And if you're saying that it's the "type of service one is best suited for" then that implies it is one's primary form of service, which means that naturally, one would spend a lot of time on the forum, thinking that spending all their time here was actually committing a service. I don't think it is. I think spending SOME time on the forum and contributing plays a serviceable role, but I honestly view the idea that it is the type of service one is best suited for as a dangerous notion. It gives people an easy out to say "Oh! Well! I spend time on this forum. I contribute, so I'm actually doing my highest service to the world. It's the best service I'm suited for"
NO IT'S NOT. You can do more. I'm not admonishing anybody if they don't. I'm just saying BE HONEST about it. THAT IS ALL I'M SAYING.
I am not "yelling" at anybody. Again, STOP IT.
You talk about "twisting words" How about twisting intentions/emotions?
My worry here is this:
Gem spends A LOT of time on here and then "sends love" and wonders if he's actually doing much, so he leaves a post like this.
Then YOU leave a post saying: "Oh, well, maybe contributing to the forum is what you're best suyited for as service"
And I DON'T think that is helping him. I think it's enabling him to say "Oh! Yeah, I send love and spend a lot of time on the forum! I guess that's enough"
And I see a danger in that.
I don't have a problem so much with people spending all their time on the net, but I DO have a problem with them telling themselves it's some great service to others.
Cool that YOU spend only 15 minutes on this site per day. Gem typically doesn't. And you did not make a qualifier like "As long as you do other stuff as well and don't spend too much time on this site"
I find your idea dangerous at least AS YOU PRESENTED IT. I was not judging YOU so there is NO NEED to know YOU. I am judging the merits of the concept you presented based on your choice of words for how you presented it.
Your choice of words suggests that if one spends their time "sending love" and talking a lot on this forum, they can call it a day and rest assured they're really doing some s***. I think that's only gonna keep people with a tendency to do that in a state of denial or confusion.
If you think posting on this site IS an act of service, fine. But make sure you qualify that kind of statement.
Otherwise, I think you SEND the wrong idea with how you communicate it. So don't get defensive and ask if I "know you" like I'm judging you when you say something like that to somebody who probably could use an honest assessment of the mattyer.
I never said there's anything WRONG with spending all one's time on the internet. It takes people as long as it does to find their way. I outright said I don't judge or throw stones from that glass house. I simply want people not to get it twisted and think that writing on this site and sending love is enough to really be of serious service. I don't think it is. Nothing wrong with that, but it's not good for people to be confused or delusional about it. It is what it is. It ain't what it aint.
that is ALL I'm saying. I'm not "yelling" at anyone and I'm explicitly not JUDGING for it. I'm just calling a spade a spade.
Tell me, why get defensive about it then? Because asking me if I know you (as if I would need to) in order to assess your idea based on how you presented it is basically defending yourself like you're being attacked or judged, when in reality, it's the IDEA that I'm basically calling out. And the idea that "writing on an internet forum is the service best suited for you" contributes to a deluded thinking that all one needs to do is send love and spend time on this forum and they're doing all the service they need to do to polarie or whatever, and I think that enables some pretty counterproductive behavioiur if the wrong people read that. It's NOT HARD to see where one could see that and think "Oh. well, posting on a forum IS my service. Guess that's enough"
It doesn't matter what YOU do. That is not the point.
Meaning he is asking whether simply FEELING is enough or if DOING is enough.
I insist FEELING is not and DOING is necessary. At least if you're trying to polarize or whatever.
"Does it occur to anyone that these discussions are very important and valuable. That being "socially isolated", writing on a keyboard, putting your thoughts out there for all to see, is exactly the type of service you are best suited for?"
Gee, WHERE could I have gotten the notion that you are promoting the idea that just typing up s*** on a keyboard is enough? You didn't say "Typing on a forum is ONE act of service you can do" You said iot might be the kind one is best suited for.
I disagree. I think it's very EASY to get the notion that sitting around and just spending all day on the computer is an act of service, but it's not. And if you're saying that it's the "type of service one is best suited for" then that implies it is one's primary form of service, which means that naturally, one would spend a lot of time on the forum, thinking that spending all their time here was actually committing a service. I don't think it is. I think spending SOME time on the forum and contributing plays a serviceable role, but I honestly view the idea that it is the type of service one is best suited for as a dangerous notion. It gives people an easy out to say "Oh! Well! I spend time on this forum. I contribute, so I'm actually doing my highest service to the world. It's the best service I'm suited for"
NO IT'S NOT. You can do more. I'm not admonishing anybody if they don't. I'm just saying BE HONEST about it. THAT IS ALL I'M SAYING.
I am not "yelling" at anybody. Again, STOP IT.
You talk about "twisting words" How about twisting intentions/emotions?
My worry here is this:
Gem spends A LOT of time on here and then "sends love" and wonders if he's actually doing much, so he leaves a post like this.
Then YOU leave a post saying: "Oh, well, maybe contributing to the forum is what you're best suyited for as service"
And I DON'T think that is helping him. I think it's enabling him to say "Oh! Yeah, I send love and spend a lot of time on the forum! I guess that's enough"
And I see a danger in that.
I don't have a problem so much with people spending all their time on the net, but I DO have a problem with them telling themselves it's some great service to others.
Cool that YOU spend only 15 minutes on this site per day. Gem typically doesn't. And you did not make a qualifier like "As long as you do other stuff as well and don't spend too much time on this site"
I find your idea dangerous at least AS YOU PRESENTED IT. I was not judging YOU so there is NO NEED to know YOU. I am judging the merits of the concept you presented based on your choice of words for how you presented it.
Your choice of words suggests that if one spends their time "sending love" and talking a lot on this forum, they can call it a day and rest assured they're really doing some s***. I think that's only gonna keep people with a tendency to do that in a state of denial or confusion.
If you think posting on this site IS an act of service, fine. But make sure you qualify that kind of statement.
Otherwise, I think you SEND the wrong idea with how you communicate it. So don't get defensive and ask if I "know you" like I'm judging you when you say something like that to somebody who probably could use an honest assessment of the mattyer.
I never said there's anything WRONG with spending all one's time on the internet. It takes people as long as it does to find their way. I outright said I don't judge or throw stones from that glass house. I simply want people not to get it twisted and think that writing on this site and sending love is enough to really be of serious service. I don't think it is. Nothing wrong with that, but it's not good for people to be confused or delusional about it. It is what it is. It ain't what it aint.
that is ALL I'm saying. I'm not "yelling" at anyone and I'm explicitly not JUDGING for it. I'm just calling a spade a spade.
Tell me, why get defensive about it then? Because asking me if I know you (as if I would need to) in order to assess your idea based on how you presented it is basically defending yourself like you're being attacked or judged, when in reality, it's the IDEA that I'm basically calling out. And the idea that "writing on an internet forum is the service best suited for you" contributes to a deluded thinking that all one needs to do is send love and spend time on this forum and they're doing all the service they need to do to polarie or whatever, and I think that enables some pretty counterproductive behavioiur if the wrong people read that. It's NOT HARD to see where one could see that and think "Oh. well, posting on a forum IS my service. Guess that's enough"
It doesn't matter what YOU do. That is not the point.