01-19-2011, 01:58 AM
(01-19-2011, 01:06 AM)turtledude23 Wrote: Because people who care about homeless people or starving people are more likely to actually do something to help said people, where as people who care about 9/11 truth aren't likely to do anything but argue, tell people to "wake up", etc.
That is quite a blanket statement.
Sure, some people just bicker, but usually that's because, until recently, it was such a 'taboo' topic and anyone courageous enough to even dare to bring it up, was automatically labeled a wacko!
The likes of David Lee Griffin, Richard Gage, et al are true patriots...courageous souls who have put their careers and even lives on the line, in their work to expose the truth.
These and thousands of engineers, physicists, pilots, etc. have been getting results...they're not just bickering! They are running ads in New York City, sending research results to engineers across the country, and oh so much more!
This is no longer some 'fringe' people on the internet bickering, but a movement, which includes many of the families of the victims. Can the families of victims be blamed for pursuing justice?
(01-19-2011, 01:06 AM)turtledude23 Wrote: And even if everyone in the world knew 9/11 was done by the Bush administration what would that accomplish?
That's like saying, "How could locking up one convicted murderer do any good, since there are still others out there?"
(01-19-2011, 01:06 AM)turtledude23 Wrote: There'd still be the patriot act because there still are other terrorists out there than the one who supposedly conducted 9/11, there'd still be a war in afghanistan and iraq.
I think if people knew the truth about 911, it would rock their world, to the degree that they would start questioning that which they had taken for granted. Sort of like what Ra said happens when people encounter a UFO.
(01-19-2011, 01:06 AM)turtledude23 Wrote: And how is the message being spread now? A guy with a megaphone who believes in plenty of false things. Documentaries which, while providing facts, blame it on "the zionist conspiracy".
Ah, apparently you haven't been keeping up with the movement! I invite you to take a look at how the movement has evolved over the past few years.
Here are some reputable research sites. Check these out. You will be amazed!
http://ae911truth.org/
http://patriotsquestion911.com/
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/
http://buildingwhat.org/
These are all action sites, based on research.
(01-19-2011, 01:06 AM)turtledude23 Wrote: And fighting for vegetarianism is not a good cause because all I could interpret as fighting is trying to convince people to go veg fiercely, which would not be accepting of others,
So do you think those who fought to release 'slaves' were wrong too? Should they have just 'accepted' the 'slaveowners'?
(01-19-2011, 01:06 AM)turtledude23 Wrote: or releasing animals from farms, which would give the cause bad publicity. If fighting for the cause is calmly explaining the health, environmental, and compassion benefits when asked then I'm all for that, but I wouldn't call that a fighting for a cause any more than I'd call giving directions to someone who asks for directions fighting for a cause.
If those championing the Blacks had just calmly voiced their opinion when asked, how much longer would it have taken to outlaw slavery in this country?
(01-19-2011, 01:06 AM)turtledude23 Wrote: Some causes are more distorted than others in terms of how much they help you polarize to STO. Knowing what you know now, would you rather use your will power for meditating, or for telling people about 9/11?
Both have their place.
(01-19-2011, 01:06 AM)turtledude23 Wrote: For volunteering at an animal hospital or for fur is murder protests with red paint?
Both have their place. I am not personally bold enough to do some of the things other animal activists do, and I don't agree with all their actions. I certainly would never use any form of violence or vandalism. However, I am grateful to those who are bolder than me, because they have their place in the big picture. They are doing their part, and I am doing mine. We each have our own part to play. We don't have the same personalities, so some feel inclined to take more action, while others work inwardly. One way is not better than the other.
I disagree strongly with your implication that we should all just meditate. As long as we still reside in 3D, action has its place too.
(01-19-2011, 01:06 AM)turtledude23 Wrote: would it have been helpful or harmful for you to invest so much energy into lets say supporting a political party.
Supporting a political party is not something I would do, because I think both parties are bogus. Knowing what I know now, such action would be fruitless.
I don't think this is a very good example to make your point, because political parties are, by their very nature, divisive. That's not in the same category as being an activist to end animal torture, or help the families of 911 victims get resolution, or work to transform corruption in government into justice, etc. Those are all noble causes with tangible goals, whereas the very idea that a political party is somehow 'good' while the other is 'bad' is based on misinformation and deception.
(01-19-2011, 01:06 AM)turtledude23 Wrote: I think we can all agree that left wing parties are usually more STO than right wing parties, even if both are almost always corrupt, so by your logic supporting a left wing party whole heartedly would be a good thing just because it seems good to the person, when in reality to that the person would have to be very controlling/unaccepting of many parts of themselves and of others, thereby not polarizing much either way but causing themselves alot of emotional anguish from the self discipline.
I don't think acceptance means we knowingly allow STS entities to harm others. Acceptance means we find the love in the present moment, so that the negativity is transformed, not that we look the other way and just allow the negativity to continue.