(01-18-2011, 08:58 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: There is great danger in the use of the will as the personality becomes stronger, for it may be used even subconsciously in ways reducing the polarity of the entity.
I interpreted this quote to mean that we can subconsciously attempt to control others against their will, without realizing it. An example given by Ra is those 2 Wanderers who ended up switching to STS, because they tried to force spirituality on others. They ended up 'disconcerted.'
(01-18-2011, 09:09 PM)lightning Wrote: I would agree that there is danger if it is ego-based, which implies opinion, judgment, and what has been called positionality which in actuality is little more than judgment which comes from the personality. From this orientation, people become entrenched in such causes as vegetarianism, political "left vs right", 911 conspiracies, 2012 ascension and a multitude of other personality-based drama, often viewing it as spirituality.
I'm confused by your statements. If we, as Wanderers, came here to lighten the vibrations, and we see injustices and get involved in causes to resolve those injustices, how is that "becoming entrenched...in personality-based drama" ?
By that logic, are you saying one shouldn't get involved in any causes, whether it be helping starving children, feeding the homeless, etc.? How does a Wanderer do work in the world, without getting involved in causes?
That's not to say that everyone must get involved in the same cause. Some feel drawn to certain causes, while others feel drawn to other causes. I don't understand how this could be viewed negatively.
I do agree about the "left vs right" because that is an overly simplistic "us vs them" attitude, generally, at least when it is applied to political ideologies. But the other examples you listed, I don't understand.
(01-18-2011, 10:18 PM)unity100 Wrote: then according to the above, people shouldnt become entrenched in positioning such as positive, or negative or sto or sts either.
Exactly. It could be said that we are 'becoming entrenched' in the 'cause' of the Law of One!
(01-18-2011, 11:11 PM)turtledude23 Wrote: Where do you draw that conclusion from? He's criticizing people for getting involved in petty disputes that seem STO but actually manifest someones STS side.
How is sincerely working for the causes of justice (in the case of atrocious crimes being committed) or championing victims of oppression, 'petty disputes'?
Those seem like genuinely STO actions to me.
(01-18-2011, 11:11 PM)turtledude23 Wrote: That has nothing to do with the pure conscious pursuit of either path.
Respectfully, I think it has everything to do with conscious pursuit of one's path. How can someone dedicated to the STO path ignore injustices and oppression?
(01-18-2011, 11:11 PM)turtledude23 Wrote: By your logic starting a holy war with good intentions would be fine because you seem to be saying that being entrenched in anything is either inherently good or bad with no possible distinction between a worthy cause and an unworthy one. Yes those petty things can eventually lead to finding a more efficient path but will power should be correlated to polarization, if someone has strong will power when they're not well polarized you'll get people like Alex Jones.
I think there has been some misinterpretation here, and it seems to hinge on the labeling of certain causes as 'petty.'
Is feeding starving children petty? Working to clean up the environment? Which causes are 'petty' and which are worthwhile?
NOT trying to be sarcastic or facetious...I am trying to understand what you're saying.
