12-16-2019, 05:41 PM
The idea of differing requirements for the paths on different planets ties into the discussion on the nature of the logos in different threads, e.g. "Unity vs Separation". The picture I have so far from considering a wider range of material is that of a positive logos, a negative local sub-logos, and a mixed-up situation for the individual in this world.
I think your idea is correct, and that what's in between the percentages, 95% STS to 50% STS, is the "background current" or "ambient polarity" on Earth. That's why it corresponds to the sinkhole of indifference on this planet - those neutral in relation to it don't have something within which is strong enough to overcome the pull of the local environment, in whichever direction. (I think strong polarization is like carrying a strong magnet within a weaker, surrounding magnetic field.)
Perhaps in more universal terms, the STS path is more difficult, the difficulty increasing with the density until insurmountable at the point where 6D STS decides to change to 6D STO. In the densities below, maybe local environments differ in how easy the paths are compared to one another.
I have yet to really explore the Q'uo material. The info you mentioned would fill in a basic gap in what I know to be provided by L/L Research channeling, compared to that of the Cassiopaean Experiment (which provides much information on negative matters, while the information on positive matters and the densities is distorted and subtly incompatible compared to Ra's).
On this planet being more negative than positive, I've seen at least Loki mention something that's been on my mind for very long (and more central in some other teachings), namely that the instinctive biological nature for life on Earth is more negative than positive. This is a world where life eats life in order to sustain itself and spread, which is basically negative - but also automatic and beyond conscious choice on the physical level, which makes it separate from the choices involved in polarizing.
4D STS is like the logical extension of the ways of the predatory and parasitic elements of biological life on Earth. 4D STO growth reflects a striving for something else, something "not of this world". (Perhaps more STO-oriented planets exist under different physical laws, difficult to understand from our local perspective.) Here's the core of the esoteric Christian take on that:
The idea of this world being closer to 4D STS than to 4D STO means that, historically, the strongest 4D influence on large-scale human developments is 4D STS. That's what usually happens as soon as a human organization develops towards large and strong hierarchy.
Some authors who study paranormal events have noted that modern alien abductions and the beings involved (4D STS) are essentially the same as has been part of the picture for as long as human civilization has existed. It is only at the level of details in appearance and symbology that it has been "modernized". E.g., demons became gray aliens. (But a few ancient pictures in caves seem to show UFOs and aliens very modern in appearance.)
Historically, 4D STO seem to be much less involved in a physically apparent sense, instead mostly communicating at astral and psychic levels. That's where people who have a positive presence can most easily reach them, and vice-versa. Physically, their distance to this type of 3D seems to be larger than it is for 4D STS. That historical gap can be bridged by modern wanderers and those who grow positively into 4D. Earlier, shamans across the world have been the most similar to that in appearance, in strong involvement with 4D STO and/or 4D STS (very much depending on the individuals).
(12-12-2019, 05:59 PM)Ray711 Wrote:(12-12-2019, 09:52 AM)Nau7ik Wrote: I believe the universal standard is 95% STS and 51% STO; these percentages ensure that one is sure that this is his Choice. Achieving such a percentage on either path is not easy and requires conscious dedication and work.
This used to be my assumption as well, but then I stumbled upon a session with Q'uo in which they stated that the percentages differ from planet to planet, and that Earth has the given percentages because our society is essentially negative. I tried to find the session, but unfortunately I couldn't. I think that taking another read at Ra's words from this new perspective gives credibility to the notion that they were always meant to be saying just what Q'uo said:
Quote:17.32 Questioner: What must be the entity's percentage, shall we say, if he is to be harvested for the negative?
Ra: I am Ra. The entity who wishes to pursue the path of service to self must attain a grade of five, that is five percent service to others, ninety-five percent service to self. It must approach totality. The negative path is quite difficult to attain harvestability upon and requires great dedication.
17.33 Questioner: Why is the negative path so much more difficult a path to attain harvestability upon than the positive?
Ra: I am Ra. This is due to a distortion of the Law of One which indicates that the gateway to intelligent infinity be a gateway at the end of a strait* and narrow path as you may call it. To attain fifty-one percent dedication to the welfare of other-selves is as difficult as attaining a grade of five percent dedication to other-selves. The, shall we say, sinkhole of indifference is between those two.
There's an obvious contradiction. First they say that STS is more difficult... then they say that they are both equally difficult.
These are my thoughts on the subject, if we go with the notion that they are equally difficult: We know that Earth is headed towards positive 4d due to the higher number of harvestable STO than harvestable STS entities, but despite of that, the planet and societies at large lean towards the negative. It occurs to me that the collective consciousness of humanity is polarized 28% STO, right in the middle point between 51% and 5%. This would make it equally difficult to harvest either way, and I believe it would also explain why Venus didn't have such a large harvest despite of its high positivity; the requirements for positive harvest were probably much much higher than the 51% we have here!
I wonder if there's a way to untangle Ra's apparent contradiction. Like, if my 28% hypothesis is right, perhaps the mere act of polarizing 23% in direction of STS is itself just as difficult as polarizing 23% in direction towards STO. What becomes truly difficult for the STS path could be not so much the act of polarization itself, but sacrificing almost to its entirety the light side within the entity itself, until there's only 5% left of it. Am I grasping at straws here?
I think your idea is correct, and that what's in between the percentages, 95% STS to 50% STS, is the "background current" or "ambient polarity" on Earth. That's why it corresponds to the sinkhole of indifference on this planet - those neutral in relation to it don't have something within which is strong enough to overcome the pull of the local environment, in whichever direction. (I think strong polarization is like carrying a strong magnet within a weaker, surrounding magnetic field.)
Perhaps in more universal terms, the STS path is more difficult, the difficulty increasing with the density until insurmountable at the point where 6D STS decides to change to 6D STO. In the densities below, maybe local environments differ in how easy the paths are compared to one another.
I have yet to really explore the Q'uo material. The info you mentioned would fill in a basic gap in what I know to be provided by L/L Research channeling, compared to that of the Cassiopaean Experiment (which provides much information on negative matters, while the information on positive matters and the densities is distorted and subtly incompatible compared to Ra's).
On this planet being more negative than positive, I've seen at least Loki mention something that's been on my mind for very long (and more central in some other teachings), namely that the instinctive biological nature for life on Earth is more negative than positive. This is a world where life eats life in order to sustain itself and spread, which is basically negative - but also automatic and beyond conscious choice on the physical level, which makes it separate from the choices involved in polarizing.
4D STS is like the logical extension of the ways of the predatory and parasitic elements of biological life on Earth. 4D STO growth reflects a striving for something else, something "not of this world". (Perhaps more STO-oriented planets exist under different physical laws, difficult to understand from our local perspective.) Here's the core of the esoteric Christian take on that:
(11-29-2019, 05:24 AM)Asolsutsesvyl Wrote: [...] found in e.g. the Gnosis books of Boris Mouravieff, is a multi-dimensional view of the cosmos, where "God" or "the Absolute" has three distinct shapes at three distinct levels above this physical world, in a cosmos which branches out like a recursive definition, from unity, to higher planes, to individual beings, to inanimate matter.
[Currently I map it to Ra's concepts like this: Absolute I = will of 7D; Absolute II = Logos; Absolute III = sub-Logos.]
The difference between that and Ra's view is that [it is clearly stated that] negativity enters at the level of the "Absolute III", in a way which corresponds to this world being closer to 4D STS than to 4D STO. In other words, this world is an example of a world which has branched out positively once, and then negatively after, leading to a physical world more negative than positive in its appearances; a world where life eats life in order to sustain itself, and proceeds in an ugly way by nature.
In such a world, the highest is pure, but difficult to access; the intermediate, further from the physical, is mixed-up and muddy, and those who truly develop may do so either positively or negatively. The physical is more negative than positive, while the opposite type of physical world is metaphorically more like the Christian Garden of Eden.
The "Absolute III", relative to where we are, has a "satanic" nature according to Mouravieff, while in more purely positive worlds, a different "Absolute III" of the opposite nature would be the more immediate Logos above. Regardless, the "Absolute II", several steps up in consciousness, is purely positive in its nature. (The opposite case for the "Absolute II" may correspond to the extremely negative worlds beyond our imagination referred to by Ra in a few places, the high-security spiritual prisons into which 5D STS would like to lure souls.)
The idea of this world being closer to 4D STS than to 4D STO means that, historically, the strongest 4D influence on large-scale human developments is 4D STS. That's what usually happens as soon as a human organization develops towards large and strong hierarchy.
Some authors who study paranormal events have noted that modern alien abductions and the beings involved (4D STS) are essentially the same as has been part of the picture for as long as human civilization has existed. It is only at the level of details in appearance and symbology that it has been "modernized". E.g., demons became gray aliens. (But a few ancient pictures in caves seem to show UFOs and aliens very modern in appearance.)
Historically, 4D STO seem to be much less involved in a physically apparent sense, instead mostly communicating at astral and psychic levels. That's where people who have a positive presence can most easily reach them, and vice-versa. Physically, their distance to this type of 3D seems to be larger than it is for 4D STS. That historical gap can be bridged by modern wanderers and those who grow positively into 4D. Earlier, shamans across the world have been the most similar to that in appearance, in strong involvement with 4D STO and/or 4D STS (very much depending on the individuals).