As Ra said, the planes are not so important, because which really matters is the mystical search for unity:
Therefore, this is a transient subject. And it will be a little long.
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Since I read this answer of anagogy, I was taking that as true:
But recently I've been thinking about and finding possible distortions in his view (although I have no formed opinion about the subject, because it's a really complex one).
Firstly, there are two ways of analyse that question:
1) We can think in space/time and time/space together as the 7 divisions of 3D.
2) Or we can think in space/time portion of 3D as having 7 divisions and the time/space as well. Observation: Of course each plane has 7 divisions which increase infinitely in reason of 7. But here, I refer to the 7 divisions or main colors of 3D.
I'll consider the first possibility as anagogy did.
When analyzing these questions I always use the hermetic principle of correspondence: "as above, so below". The microcosm is a reflex of the macrocosm and vice versa. Thus, the 7 chakras and the 7 bodies would be microcosmic repetions of the 7 densities and the 7 sub-densities of the 3D (the planes). It's possible to say that there is a body related to each one of the chakras and its respective ray.
I also always analyse these questions through the colors rays due the characteristics of each ray and the similarities between microcosm and the macrocosm with regards to these rays.
What I've been thinking is that perhaps the physical plane is not the first plane (red-ray portion of 3D), but the third plane (yellow-ray portion of 3D). Before I explain, let's analyse the bodies listed by Ra:
Note that the bodies of red and orange rays are not, different than expected, the physical body. According Ra, the physical body is of the yellow-ray (this itself is already different of all traditions I ever studied which generally relate the basic chakra (red-ray) with the physical body). For this reason, I thought that perhaps the yellow-ray body should inhabit the plane or sub-density corresponding the yellow-ray. As apparently it happens with the more subtle bodies: astral, mental, causal and buddhic which inhabits their respective colors. Thus, the physical plane would be the third, not the fisrt.
However, I've no idea of which would be the first two planes (red and orange) as I still don't understand what the first two bodies are.
A HYPOTHESIS I have now is that we can relate these two first planes with the 1D and 2D perceptions of physical plane, as the first two bodies of 3D entities are analogues to 1D and 2D bodies. I don't know, it's just a supposition. Many sources say we are in the third dimension, although I'm not sure that my hypothesis have much to do with height, width and depth. But, a interesting thing I found is the view of the authoress Lyssa Royal (which use the same terminology of Ra) about the first three densities, in your book "The Prism of Lyra":
In Lyssa's view there are conexions of the 1D, 2D and 3D perceptions with height, width and depth. And also, it seems to me that each density has elements evolved from previous densities (I quote again the first two bodies of 3D entities being analogues to the 1D and 2D bodies).
Well, this is mine current hypothesis about the correspondences of chakras, bodies, planes and densities in 3D perspective:
![[Image: 5eDUqij.png]](https://i.imgur.com/5eDUqij.png)
1 - I used the word "electrical" to refer to traditional etheric body because Ra used this term:
2 - The same of the note above. I used the term "electrical" to refer the metaphysical portion of the physical plane.
The only problem with that my hypothesis, is how divide the levels red and orange in 7 portions.
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About astral plane and the lower, middle and higher levels. It makes much sense what anagogy wrote. But, Ra related the astral body with the green-ray and seems to me (basing myself in the hermetic principle of the correspondence) that astral plane (with all your divisions) would be the subdivision of green-ray (4D) in our 3D.
Ra answered like that about astral plane:
Ra used the term "astral plane" in the singular and the word "extremities" implying that is a unique distinction or color of our 3D. When Ra use "astral planes" to refer to the higher astral, I suppose Ra was talking about the sub-colors green to violet of the astral plane or perhaps, of the infinite frequencies that each sub-color contains.
Unfortunately Ra didn't talk more about astral plane.
In addition, all traditions I ever studied says that astral plane has 7 astral levels which encompass the so-called lower, middle and higher astral planes. The Theosophy is an example of school that see all these divisions as part of one unique plane. For all these reasons, perhaps all the divisions would be sub-divisions of the green-ray or 4D representation of our 3D. Something like this:
![[Image: pt8kv71.png]](https://i.imgur.com/pt8kv71.png)
1 - The abysm is the lower portion of the astral plane. I read about in books about magick and others with spiritualist approach (very commum in my country). It's a really dense and heavy place, where there are beings who can't get out there due the danger they represents to the other entities.
It's also interesting note that we can suppose the three lower levels of our astral would be the subdivisions corresponding to the fourth density negative levels. As Ra said, the colors green and blue are missing in the STS planets:
A friend who already worked in a group which fight with STS aliens, said to me (and I also read that in books) that the STS aliens which comes to our planet generally stay in the lower and middle astral planes.
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Finally, it's just a humble vision. I don't discard the anagogy's view and also don't take my view as better. It's just a hypothesis. I'm seeking the truth yet, although, as I said at the beginning of the post, the planes are not so important.
Quote:The space/time and time/space concepts are those concepts describing as mathematically as possible the relationships of your illusion, that which is seen to that which is unseen. These descriptive terms are clumsy. They, however, suffice for this work.(57.33)
In the experiences of the mystical search for unity, these need never be considered, for they are but part of an illusory system. The seeker seeks the One. This One is to be sought, as we have said, by the balanced and self-accepting self, aware both of its apparent distortions and its total perfection. Resting in this balanced awareness, the entity then opens the self to the universe which it is. The light energy of all things may then be attracted by this intense seeking, and wherever the inner seeking meets the attracted cosmic prana, realization of the One takes place.
Therefore, this is a transient subject. And it will be a little long.
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Since I read this answer of anagogy, I was taking that as true:
(09-22-2016, 06:11 AM)anagogy Wrote: Red Ray = Physical Plane/Prime Material/This is also the Etheric Plane (as is commonly referenced in occult literature -- not the version Ra was talking about). This is the most congealed manifestation of form, or tangibility.
Orange Ray = Lower Astral Plane (Selfish Vibrations/Vibrations Concerning Self/Lust/Personal Power/Lower Emotional Realm)
Yellow Ray = Middle Astral Plane (Awareness of difference between Self and Other/Societal Vibrations/Personhood in relationship to groups of entities/this is where you begin to see astral cities or conglomerations of souls living together/Lower mental plane.)
Green Ray = Higher Astral Plane (Awareness of others vibrations/empathy/understanding of what another is experiencing/unconditional love/astral heaven type worlds/awareness of harmony/higher emotional plane).
Blue Ray = Devachanic Plane/Mental Plane/vibrations of free communication and pure conceptual ideals/repository of the "pure vibrations" of a thing at a conceptual level/conceptual archetypes after which every further instance of a particular idea is a patternization of, i.e., Plato's ideas of "ideal forms")
Indigo Ray = Causal Plane (Awareness of self as an expression of Intelligent Energy/awareness of self as creator/what Ra called the "etheric body" or the place where light is given form. Think of it as an "eye" or "shutter" that focuses light, giving it form, which is why it is the primal Form Maker.
Violet Ray = Buddhic Plane or alternatively the "Atmic Plane" or the level of 'Christ Consciousness'. Realm of wholeness, and awareness of connection with everything. This is where the m/b/s totality resides. An awareness of the totality of experiential balance. This is the most intangible and "not constrained by form" level.
But recently I've been thinking about and finding possible distortions in his view (although I have no formed opinion about the subject, because it's a really complex one).
Firstly, there are two ways of analyse that question:
1) We can think in space/time and time/space together as the 7 divisions of 3D.
2) Or we can think in space/time portion of 3D as having 7 divisions and the time/space as well. Observation: Of course each plane has 7 divisions which increase infinitely in reason of 7. But here, I refer to the 7 divisions or main colors of 3D.
I'll consider the first possibility as anagogy did.
When analyzing these questions I always use the hermetic principle of correspondence: "as above, so below". The microcosm is a reflex of the macrocosm and vice versa. Thus, the 7 chakras and the 7 bodies would be microcosmic repetions of the 7 densities and the 7 sub-densities of the 3D (the planes). It's possible to say that there is a body related to each one of the chakras and its respective ray.
I also always analyse these questions through the colors rays due the characteristics of each ray and the similarities between microcosm and the macrocosm with regards to these rays.
What I've been thinking is that perhaps the physical plane is not the first plane (red-ray portion of 3D), but the third plane (yellow-ray portion of 3D). Before I explain, let's analyse the bodies listed by Ra:
Quote:The red-ray body is your chemical body. However, it is not the body which you have as clothing in the physical. It is the unconstructed material of the body, the elemental body without form. This basic unformed material body is important to understand for there are healings which may be carried out by the simple understanding of the elements present in the physical vehicle.(47.8)
The orange-ray body is the physical body complex. This body complex is still not the body you inhabit but rather the body formed without self-awareness, the body in the womb before the spirit/mind complex enters. This body may live without the inhabitation of the mind and spirit complexes. However, it seldom does so.
The yellow-ray body is your physical vehicle which you know of at this time and in which you experience catalyst. This body has the mind/body/spirit characteristics and is equal to the physical illusion, as you have called it.
The green-ray body is that body which may be seen in séance when what you call ectoplasm is furnished. This is a lighter body packed more densely with life. You may call this the astral body following some other teachings. Others have called this same body the etheric body. However, this is not correct in the sense that the etheric body is that body of gateway wherein intelligent energy is able to mold the mind/body/spirit complex.
The light body or blue-ray body may be called the devachanic body. There are many other names for this body especially in your so-called Indian Sutras or writings, for there are those among these peoples which have explored these regions and understand the various types of devachanic bodies. There are many, many types of bodies in each density, much like your own.
The indigo-ray body which we choose to call the etheric body is, as we have said, the gateway body. In this body form is substance and you may only see this body as that of light as it may mold itself as it desires.
The violet-ray body may perhaps be understood as what you might call the Buddha body or that body which is complete.
Note that the bodies of red and orange rays are not, different than expected, the physical body. According Ra, the physical body is of the yellow-ray (this itself is already different of all traditions I ever studied which generally relate the basic chakra (red-ray) with the physical body). For this reason, I thought that perhaps the yellow-ray body should inhabit the plane or sub-density corresponding the yellow-ray. As apparently it happens with the more subtle bodies: astral, mental, causal and buddhic which inhabits their respective colors. Thus, the physical plane would be the third, not the fisrt.
However, I've no idea of which would be the first two planes (red and orange) as I still don't understand what the first two bodies are.
A HYPOTHESIS I have now is that we can relate these two first planes with the 1D and 2D perceptions of physical plane, as the first two bodies of 3D entities are analogues to 1D and 2D bodies. I don't know, it's just a supposition. Many sources say we are in the third dimension, although I'm not sure that my hypothesis have much to do with height, width and depth. But, a interesting thing I found is the view of the authoress Lyssa Royal (which use the same terminology of Ra) about the first three densities, in your book "The Prism of Lyra":
Quote:FIRST DENSITY: Awareness as a point; Physical matter. This frequency level is the most basic. It provides the matter and energy for the creation of atoms and molecules. The basic life forms of mineral and water, for example, are all operating from first-density frequency. Humans possess this frequency within themselves as well. It makes up the basic genetic codes.
SECOND DENSITY: Awareness as a line; Biological matter; Development of group or species identity. The consciousness expressed by second-density vibration does not possess self-awareness (or ego). Most species within the plant and animal kingdoms exist here; however, their placement in density depends upon many additional factors, including the presence or absence of ego.
THIRD DENSITY: Volumetric awareness; Ego; Loss of group identity, development of individual identity; Ability to 4 DIMENSIONAL INFUSION remember past and cognize the future while retaining present awareness. This is the density where human beings emerge. It is a vibration that creates the illusion of separation and thus a challenge toward awakening. Presently humanity is going through a transition period into fourth-density reality which can account for the many rapid changes the human race is undergoing. This is the frequency that expresses the most separation from the Whole. It is from here that many lessons about integration are learned. This is the most intense of all levels in its cultivation of growth within the Self. Cetaceans (dolphins and whales) presently exist simultaneously in third and fourth densities and are transitioning out of third along with humanity. The consciousness of primates exists in third density as well. The evolution of primates is becoming increasingly apparent, as one begins to observe them displaying several characteristics that were once thought of as indigenous only to humans (such as language acquisition and pathological behavior).
In Lyssa's view there are conexions of the 1D, 2D and 3D perceptions with height, width and depth. And also, it seems to me that each density has elements evolved from previous densities (I quote again the first two bodies of 3D entities being analogues to the 1D and 2D bodies).
Well, this is mine current hypothesis about the correspondences of chakras, bodies, planes and densities in 3D perspective:
![[Image: 5eDUqij.png]](https://i.imgur.com/5eDUqij.png)
1 - I used the word "electrical" to refer to traditional etheric body because Ra used this term:
Quote:Forgetting the pyramid will be of aid to you in the study of these experiences. The instreamings of energy are felt by the energy centers which need, and are prepared for, activation. Thus those who feel the stimulation at violet-ray level are getting just that. Those feeling it within the forehead between the brows are experiencing indigo ray and so forth. Those experiencing tinglings and visual images are having some blockage in the energy center being activated and thus the electrical body spreads this energy out and its effect is diffused.(50.12)
2 - The same of the note above. I used the term "electrical" to refer the metaphysical portion of the physical plane.
The only problem with that my hypothesis, is how divide the levels red and orange in 7 portions.
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About astral plane and the lower, middle and higher levels. It makes much sense what anagogy wrote. But, Ra related the astral body with the green-ray and seems to me (basing myself in the hermetic principle of the correspondence) that astral plane (with all your divisions) would be the subdivision of green-ray (4D) in our 3D.
Ra answered like that about astral plane:
Quote:17.36 Questioner: I’ve heard that there are seven astral and seven devachanic primary levels. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. You speak of some of the more large distinctions in levels in your inner planes. That is correct.
Quote:17.37 Questioner: Well, who inhabit the astral and who inhabit the devachanic planes?
Ra: I am Ra. Entities inhabit the various planes due to their vibrational nature. The astral plane varies from thought-forms in the lower extremities to enlightened beings who become dedicated to teach/learning in the higher astral planes.
In the devachanic planes, as you call them, are those whose vibrations are even more close to the primal distortions of love/light.
Beyond these planes there are others.
Ra used the term "astral plane" in the singular and the word "extremities" implying that is a unique distinction or color of our 3D. When Ra use "astral planes" to refer to the higher astral, I suppose Ra was talking about the sub-colors green to violet of the astral plane or perhaps, of the infinite frequencies that each sub-color contains.
Unfortunately Ra didn't talk more about astral plane.
In addition, all traditions I ever studied says that astral plane has 7 astral levels which encompass the so-called lower, middle and higher astral planes. The Theosophy is an example of school that see all these divisions as part of one unique plane. For all these reasons, perhaps all the divisions would be sub-divisions of the green-ray or 4D representation of our 3D. Something like this:
![[Image: pt8kv71.png]](https://i.imgur.com/pt8kv71.png)
1 - The abysm is the lower portion of the astral plane. I read about in books about magick and others with spiritualist approach (very commum in my country). It's a really dense and heavy place, where there are beings who can't get out there due the danger they represents to the other entities.
It's also interesting note that we can suppose the three lower levels of our astral would be the subdivisions corresponding to the fourth density negative levels. As Ra said, the colors green and blue are missing in the STS planets:
Quote:The vibratory rates are not to be understood as the same in positive and negative orientations. They are to be understood as having the power to accept and work with intelligent infinity to a certain degree or intensity. Due to the fact that the primary color, shall we say, or energy blue is missing from the negatively oriented system of power, the green/blue vibratory energies are not seen in the vibratory schedules or patterns of negative fourth and fifth rates of vibration.(47.3)
Quote:Let us clarify further. As we have previously stated, all beings have the potential for all possible vibratory rates. Thus the potential of the green and blue energy center activation is, of course, precisely where it must be in a creation of Love. However, the negatively polarized entity will have achieved harvest due to extremely efficient use of red and yellow/orange, moving directly to the gateway indigo bringing through this intelligent energy channel the instreamings of intelligent infinity.(47.4)
A friend who already worked in a group which fight with STS aliens, said to me (and I also read that in books) that the STS aliens which comes to our planet generally stay in the lower and middle astral planes.
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Finally, it's just a humble vision. I don't discard the anagogy's view and also don't take my view as better. It's just a hypothesis. I'm seeking the truth yet, although, as I said at the beginning of the post, the planes are not so important.