07-31-2019, 06:37 AM
(This post was last modified: 07-31-2019, 06:59 AM by TheSeekersLighthouse.)
The overall aspect of immigration is a sensitive one. But I have been on the wrong end of this difficulty.
Putting aside legal/illegal immigration for a moment, as laws are merely written by some random person in a suit, my spouse and me were unable to join for a year.
This was due to strict UK visa rules requiring an earning of at least £18,600 a year, which increases by £2400 if the couple has children, per child. The Philippines was not possible due to no gay marriage. I ended up winning a disability exemption to the requirements due to CFS which I have had for a decade. The visa application fees worked out at £3000 plus other beurocracy needed to get the visa and his exit from the Philippines, worked out at £4000. You lose £1600 of the application fee if the application is unsuccessful. Lawyer fees for these can work out at £1000s and do not guarantee an application.
The attitudes on immigration in their current form by the media serves to separate more than unite I think. You can enter whole facebook groups of people separated from spouses in loving relationships because they do not earn enough who try and help others with it, bypassing lawyers. We did our application without a lawyer and were successful this July and are now starting married life together here, my partner secured a job in social care. But note that in 2.5 years, you have to repay ALL those fees to re-apply to stay. If your income drops below £18,600 and/or disability awards are lost (very common) at that juncture, your spouse can be thrown out. A wrong box on the form, or a tiny error in documents results in the loss of £1000s as your application fails after 1 - 6 months of waiting for the visa. Having children complicates the process massively.
A visa renewal failure makes it illegal for ME to shelter him, as it is ILLEGAL to rent to someone without legal status, jobs and everything evaporate. This has happened to the windrush generation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windrush_scandal. Check after check just to get a job these days. Your ID determines your worth.
People who came here legally had the Home Office destroy the landing cards proving they were here legally. Then asked them to prove it. Those who had old 30 - 40 year old passport with ILE or ILR stamps in them got to stay, others thrown out no matter their contribution or left homeless and destitute as they could not work legitimately. All these 'checks' and bureaucracy just to work to support yourself. All determined by ID.
The pile of documents needed involved a blow by blow breakdown of financials which all have to match up with payslips etc etc, employer letters, inspection reports on property, TB testing, English testing, (which the TB testing and English testing cost £100s as it has to be specific UKVI approved). I had to explain a £2.32 deduction in my income, that is how detailed you have to be, lest you get refused.
After five years, you pay all the fees again to get permanent residency for your spouse. Meanwhile, the media is repeating 'our borders are too soft' over and over with a slice of the public agreeing, though less and less as I notice most young people see right though that.
Many rules our governments put just beg to be broken. There is a chance that one day, we may go knocking on the doors of the countries of people we rejected, if the tide turned here. I think everyone should have a chance, free-will being paramount over anything else.
This is why I am in support of removing these artificial borders governments put. The difficulties me and my husband went through sealed to me that there is nothing STO about the way we are handling immigration. Especially when western army forces destabilised many of these countries in the first place.
Our world situation is complex, but I think anything which restricts free-will in that manner no matter what the 'authority/country' doing it is not STO, but is seeing others as separate from the self. Who owns the earth? Who gets to tell YOU where to walk on the earth? Just to stop a few 'baddies'? I don't buy it. This is how the STS shadow government works:
1. Create an enemy
2. Give the public a reason to hate the enemy (see 9/11 as an example, an excuse to invade iraq)
3. Reinforce it through media, often drip drip dripping it to slowly change one's opinion
4. Hate and screaming for more rules and tougher laws (WE NEED MORE SECURITY, WE NEED MORE ID CHECKS! WE NEED TOUGHER LAWS LAWS LAWS!)
5. Enslavement successful, people seeing others as separate, STO polarity reduces. Laws the public demand now implemented which was the plan in the beginning
Rinse, wash, repeat.
This has gone on for longer than I can remember. I remember reading 1940s newspaper articles, where Alexander Bell (the telephone inventor) said no matter what one's race, they would be allowed a telephone. The media were up in arms, and the same newspaper described Mexicans as 'filthy'. It has served to divide and rule for a long time. The media does the same today, but just picks different targets. There is also political correctness, another side of the enslavement coin, as anyone with a conservative view is subject to negativity. But one that hides in plain sight, too. Then you have the good old witch hunts and feeding criminals to lions, those perceived as 'bad' with suffering inflicted upon them by the 'good' people for entertainment.
This is why we must be very careful, form our own opinions and be mindful of attempts to manipulate us to see others as separate from the self. If the STS polarity cannot fully enslave you, it will still try and get you away from STO. This is also done by painting someone to hate. Trump, Mrs May, or anyone else who is subject to the next 'hate'. I strongly disagree with trump and mrs' may's policies, but neither deserve in my opinion HATE, which is a strong dividing tactic. And those truly pulling the strings stay out of sight too.
The media for dividing is now so strong, I have started to unplug from the global internet for a while to focus on spiritual development. Gone back to older non-capable equipment and a dumbphone that allows me to use messenger platforms (nokia 8110 is good for this) and an older laptop with windows 98, can focus on writing and play music without much distractions. I keep this PC so I can check my usual forums and use messengers now and again, but the need to unplug digitally for a while has come over me, due to the level of manipulation I have been seeing and that it constantly fills the mind with information. No news or news TV is put on in my house.
As for immigration, people have migrated since the dawn of time and will continue to do so, regardless of laws put in place. It is hard wired into human DNA, if not into our psyche.
Putting aside legal/illegal immigration for a moment, as laws are merely written by some random person in a suit, my spouse and me were unable to join for a year.
This was due to strict UK visa rules requiring an earning of at least £18,600 a year, which increases by £2400 if the couple has children, per child. The Philippines was not possible due to no gay marriage. I ended up winning a disability exemption to the requirements due to CFS which I have had for a decade. The visa application fees worked out at £3000 plus other beurocracy needed to get the visa and his exit from the Philippines, worked out at £4000. You lose £1600 of the application fee if the application is unsuccessful. Lawyer fees for these can work out at £1000s and do not guarantee an application.
The attitudes on immigration in their current form by the media serves to separate more than unite I think. You can enter whole facebook groups of people separated from spouses in loving relationships because they do not earn enough who try and help others with it, bypassing lawyers. We did our application without a lawyer and were successful this July and are now starting married life together here, my partner secured a job in social care. But note that in 2.5 years, you have to repay ALL those fees to re-apply to stay. If your income drops below £18,600 and/or disability awards are lost (very common) at that juncture, your spouse can be thrown out. A wrong box on the form, or a tiny error in documents results in the loss of £1000s as your application fails after 1 - 6 months of waiting for the visa. Having children complicates the process massively.
A visa renewal failure makes it illegal for ME to shelter him, as it is ILLEGAL to rent to someone without legal status, jobs and everything evaporate. This has happened to the windrush generation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windrush_scandal. Check after check just to get a job these days. Your ID determines your worth.
People who came here legally had the Home Office destroy the landing cards proving they were here legally. Then asked them to prove it. Those who had old 30 - 40 year old passport with ILE or ILR stamps in them got to stay, others thrown out no matter their contribution or left homeless and destitute as they could not work legitimately. All these 'checks' and bureaucracy just to work to support yourself. All determined by ID.
The pile of documents needed involved a blow by blow breakdown of financials which all have to match up with payslips etc etc, employer letters, inspection reports on property, TB testing, English testing, (which the TB testing and English testing cost £100s as it has to be specific UKVI approved). I had to explain a £2.32 deduction in my income, that is how detailed you have to be, lest you get refused.
After five years, you pay all the fees again to get permanent residency for your spouse. Meanwhile, the media is repeating 'our borders are too soft' over and over with a slice of the public agreeing, though less and less as I notice most young people see right though that.
Many rules our governments put just beg to be broken. There is a chance that one day, we may go knocking on the doors of the countries of people we rejected, if the tide turned here. I think everyone should have a chance, free-will being paramount over anything else.
This is why I am in support of removing these artificial borders governments put. The difficulties me and my husband went through sealed to me that there is nothing STO about the way we are handling immigration. Especially when western army forces destabilised many of these countries in the first place.
Our world situation is complex, but I think anything which restricts free-will in that manner no matter what the 'authority/country' doing it is not STO, but is seeing others as separate from the self. Who owns the earth? Who gets to tell YOU where to walk on the earth? Just to stop a few 'baddies'? I don't buy it. This is how the STS shadow government works:
1. Create an enemy
2. Give the public a reason to hate the enemy (see 9/11 as an example, an excuse to invade iraq)
3. Reinforce it through media, often drip drip dripping it to slowly change one's opinion
4. Hate and screaming for more rules and tougher laws (WE NEED MORE SECURITY, WE NEED MORE ID CHECKS! WE NEED TOUGHER LAWS LAWS LAWS!)
5. Enslavement successful, people seeing others as separate, STO polarity reduces. Laws the public demand now implemented which was the plan in the beginning
Rinse, wash, repeat.
This has gone on for longer than I can remember. I remember reading 1940s newspaper articles, where Alexander Bell (the telephone inventor) said no matter what one's race, they would be allowed a telephone. The media were up in arms, and the same newspaper described Mexicans as 'filthy'. It has served to divide and rule for a long time. The media does the same today, but just picks different targets. There is also political correctness, another side of the enslavement coin, as anyone with a conservative view is subject to negativity. But one that hides in plain sight, too. Then you have the good old witch hunts and feeding criminals to lions, those perceived as 'bad' with suffering inflicted upon them by the 'good' people for entertainment.
This is why we must be very careful, form our own opinions and be mindful of attempts to manipulate us to see others as separate from the self. If the STS polarity cannot fully enslave you, it will still try and get you away from STO. This is also done by painting someone to hate. Trump, Mrs May, or anyone else who is subject to the next 'hate'. I strongly disagree with trump and mrs' may's policies, but neither deserve in my opinion HATE, which is a strong dividing tactic. And those truly pulling the strings stay out of sight too.
The media for dividing is now so strong, I have started to unplug from the global internet for a while to focus on spiritual development. Gone back to older non-capable equipment and a dumbphone that allows me to use messenger platforms (nokia 8110 is good for this) and an older laptop with windows 98, can focus on writing and play music without much distractions. I keep this PC so I can check my usual forums and use messengers now and again, but the need to unplug digitally for a while has come over me, due to the level of manipulation I have been seeing and that it constantly fills the mind with information. No news or news TV is put on in my house.
As for immigration, people have migrated since the dawn of time and will continue to do so, regardless of laws put in place. It is hard wired into human DNA, if not into our psyche.