06-19-2019, 03:56 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-19-2019, 03:59 PM by Bring4th_Austin.)
Like Infinite, I have issues relating the natural laws of how higher densities function with the topic of third density immigration. They're completely different topics in my mind. And there are key facets to these issues that I think are unaddressed by your argument.
I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to when you say that they talk about the polarities not "working well together." I suppose that could be inferred by what is said about the separation of the polarities and how the "thought battle" plays out. But I take issue with the idea of immigration control being reduced to "the desire to keep potential individuals of an STS-like mentality away from that which one perceives as belonging to the self." Is the implication that the majority of immigrants are operating on an "STS-like mentality"? If it is the implication, then I think the issues with a statement like that are obvious.
And if that is not the implication, and we assume you are right - that the motivation for strict immigration control might be to protect the self, but that mentality completely ignores - then that still ignores the fact that this mentality is completely lacking in consideration of love, acceptance, and service for those who are genuinely seeking a better life and not of an "STS-like mentality." The biggest issue I see with the very idea that the common mentality of desiring strict immigration control can still be an STO mindset is that it completely ignores those who are actually in need. Among people who call for stricter immigration control, how many of those people equally call for better service for those genuinely seeking aid? What is placed as the higher priority - keeping out the "undesirables," or ensuring those in need are served the best of our ability?
I don't personally believe that these mentalities are mutually exclusive - a person could theoretically have a nuanced opinion on immigration that calls for better control and more resources for those in need. But far more often do I see proponents of strict immigration simply upset about the potential undesirables, willing to overlook those in need out of self-protection. That is not a positive attitude in my mind.
I'd also like to point out the difference between an "STS-like mentality" and a person who expresses harmful behaviors due to a lack of resources. There is a difference between an actual STS person and someone who has developed self-serving attitudes due to a culture or life shaped by lack of fundamental resources. I think about this Q&A:
There are so many factors that might go into human harmful behavior that have little to do with STS polarization. Experiencing such can be not just an opportunity to protect the self, but to serve the other-self as well.
And one further clarification - I believe that anyone who has had consistent contact with immigrants or anyone fleeing from another country in a desperate situation knows that love can prevail in a person despite circumstances. I just think we often fail to realize how our relatively privileged circumstances allow us to contemplate things like love, service, and our attitude towards others. Not everyone has these opportunities. Circumstances don't dictate everything, but they do have an influence.
This particular example is a natural function of the creation and how densities work. It's not controlled by an external force deciding what is best for the individuals. Ra is clear - an individual (with the aid of the higher self) determines the best environment for it to learn in. The reason that the "well of 4th density positive" isn't "poisoned" by those less polarized is because the individuals themselves determine for themselves that it is not appropriate for them to be there.
Again, this is describing a relationship between two very deliberately polarized forces. A "battle of equals." In my eyes, that is not at all the same as the issue of immigration. The service that a polarized STO entity might offer a polarized STS entity is much different than a service an STO entity might offer someone expressing harmful behavior yet not actually polarized STS. "To a mind/body/spirit complex which is starving, the appropriate response is the feeding of the body. You may extrapolate from this."
(06-19-2019, 03:57 AM)Ray711 Wrote: However, I want to put this topic in relation to the notion that the two separate paths (STS and STO) in higher densities are just that; separate. The Confederation has gone on record saying that the two polarities "don't work well together". The implications of this in regard to the subject of immigration are big, if not downright hypocritical, because a basic motivation in the desire for strict immigration control (aside from downright xenophobic views) is the desire to keep potential individuals of an STS-like mentality away from that which one perceives as belonging to the self (of course, this viewpoint can be questioned on the grounds that one's own country also has STS individuals).
I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to when you say that they talk about the polarities not "working well together." I suppose that could be inferred by what is said about the separation of the polarities and how the "thought battle" plays out. But I take issue with the idea of immigration control being reduced to "the desire to keep potential individuals of an STS-like mentality away from that which one perceives as belonging to the self." Is the implication that the majority of immigrants are operating on an "STS-like mentality"? If it is the implication, then I think the issues with a statement like that are obvious.
And if that is not the implication, and we assume you are right - that the motivation for strict immigration control might be to protect the self, but that mentality completely ignores - then that still ignores the fact that this mentality is completely lacking in consideration of love, acceptance, and service for those who are genuinely seeking a better life and not of an "STS-like mentality." The biggest issue I see with the very idea that the common mentality of desiring strict immigration control can still be an STO mindset is that it completely ignores those who are actually in need. Among people who call for stricter immigration control, how many of those people equally call for better service for those genuinely seeking aid? What is placed as the higher priority - keeping out the "undesirables," or ensuring those in need are served the best of our ability?
I don't personally believe that these mentalities are mutually exclusive - a person could theoretically have a nuanced opinion on immigration that calls for better control and more resources for those in need. But far more often do I see proponents of strict immigration simply upset about the potential undesirables, willing to overlook those in need out of self-protection. That is not a positive attitude in my mind.
I'd also like to point out the difference between an "STS-like mentality" and a person who expresses harmful behaviors due to a lack of resources. There is a difference between an actual STS person and someone who has developed self-serving attitudes due to a culture or life shaped by lack of fundamental resources. I think about this Q&A:
Quote:42.3
Questioner: I will attempt to make an analogy. If an animal, shall I say a bull in a pen, attacks you because you have wandered into his pen, you get out of his way rapidly but you do not blame him. Or, you do not have much of an emotional response other than the fear response that he might damage you. However, if you encounter another self in his territory and he attacks you, your response may be more of an emotional nature creating physical bodily responses. Am I correct in assuming that when your response to the animal and to the other-self seeing both as the Creator and loving both and understanding their action in attacking you is the action of their free will then you have balanced yourself correctly in this area? Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is basically correct. However, the balanced entity will see in the seeming attack of an other-self the causes of this action which are, in most cases, of a more complex nature than the cause of the attack of the second-density bull as was your example. Thus this balanced entity would be open to many more opportunities for service to a third-density other-self.
There are so many factors that might go into human harmful behavior that have little to do with STS polarization. Experiencing such can be not just an opportunity to protect the self, but to serve the other-self as well.
And one further clarification - I believe that anyone who has had consistent contact with immigrants or anyone fleeing from another country in a desperate situation knows that love can prevail in a person despite circumstances. I just think we often fail to realize how our relatively privileged circumstances allow us to contemplate things like love, service, and our attitude towards others. Not everyone has these opportunities. Circumstances don't dictate everything, but they do have an influence.
Quote:Still, Creation itself seems to be built on concepts of, shall we say, strict immigration control. The well of 4th density positive can't be poisoned with the negativity of those not sufficiently polarized STO, or so seems to be the idea.
This particular example is a natural function of the creation and how densities work. It's not controlled by an external force deciding what is best for the individuals. Ra is clear - an individual (with the aid of the higher self) determines the best environment for it to learn in. The reason that the "well of 4th density positive" isn't "poisoned" by those less polarized is because the individuals themselves determine for themselves that it is not appropriate for them to be there.
Quote:On the topic of reaching absolute purity in STO, this following quote from Ra is relevant:
Quote:25.6 ▶ Questioner: Could you amplify the meaning of what you said by “failure to accept that which is given?”
Ra: I am Ra. At the level of time/space at which this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war, the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded, engulfed, and transformed by positive energies.
This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.
It is thus that those who deal with this thought-war must be defensive rather than accepting in order to preserve their usefulness in service to others. Thusly, they cannot accept fully what the Orion Confederation wishes to give, that being enslavement. Thusly, some polarity is lost due to this friction and both sides, if you will, must then regroup.
This is worrisome to me, because it implies that simply being loving is not enough to deter negativity, which is precisely the very mindset of the many people here in 3d who scoff at the notion that unconditional love will save the world. Perhaps it's different because 3d is more of an illusion, and the stakes are higher in the battle described by Ra. I'm unsure as to what to think about this, but I think it'd be interesting to open that debate.
Again, this is describing a relationship between two very deliberately polarized forces. A "battle of equals." In my eyes, that is not at all the same as the issue of immigration. The service that a polarized STO entity might offer a polarized STS entity is much different than a service an STO entity might offer someone expressing harmful behavior yet not actually polarized STS. "To a mind/body/spirit complex which is starving, the appropriate response is the feeding of the body. You may extrapolate from this."
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