05-23-2019, 10:39 AM
(05-23-2019, 10:13 AM)hounsic Wrote: I don’t think Jordan Petersen should get lumped in with alt/right.... I have listened to him speak for at least 12+ hours on his and others various podcast, and have never heard him say anything that would make me think alt right.
I've also spent more than 12 hours studying Jordan Peterson, and I believe he is "intro to alt-right philosophy". He presents a pretty good case for a bigoted worldview. I also find him to be fairly openly misogynistic. His whole hysteria about the Canadian "compelled speech" law might as well have been a psyop, as he misrepresented it in such a cleverly insidious way that caused a fervor amongst bigots. Only bigots actually care about laws that protect people from being harassed - because we already have many of these, so if they actually had a problem, they would be speaking out against those laws, and not some law in Canada that merely *adds* trans people to the group of people who are protected, like those who are gay. Making this an outrage about "forcing me to call a person with a penis a she!!!!" is taking an action that is about protecting human rights and turning it into a huge smoke and mirrors about "free speech". I've mentioned before about using discernment to pick battles - fighting against a law that is protecting people from being harassed and making it the "free speech" ship that we all die on seems so confused to me. There are so many injustices in the world, and making people outraged about this tiny piece of the pie only seems to be done out of bigotry, that's my opinion. We ALL benefit from laws that are in theory to protect us from being harassed for any reason. What if someone was intentionally stalking and harassing you, intentionally calling you the wrong pronoun, shouting at you in public? Wouldn't you want the police to see this as something to respond to?
In fact, I think some of the men who are outraged about this bill would be *just as outraged* if someone was intentionally calling them "she/her" to harass them. If your name's Sam, and your coworker insists on condescendingly calling you "Samantha" as a means of harassing you, wouldn't you want to be able to take this to HR?
Jordan Peterson is able to fly under the radar but talking about "western civilization" as much as he does is, again, a dog whistle for white nationalism.
Also, his actual grasp on philosophy is extremely shallow. This is possible to understand if we look into the concepts and terminology he uses and actually study the concepts he uses. I have. He's using them wrong. He also has his own interpretation of the archetypes and it's ALL about repressing the dirty feminine manifestation of "chaos". I won't even get into that.
The word "pronoun" is literally not in the Canadian bill, did you know that? The bill protects transgendered people from being discriminated against and harassed at their job, like other minority groups. Jordan made claims that "this was the first type of law to be passed like this" and other lies to make people think this was something insidious. It's not.
Also, nobody has been arrested because of Bill C-16. It's been almost 2 years now. So why are we still scared? Why has this become the harbinger of fascism if the law isn't actually being enforced?
https://torontoist.com/2016/12/are-jorda...6-correct/
Remember, negative philosophy is packaged in a way to make it look like positive philosophy. It's usually 80% well and good but then there's that 20% that is really about separation and forming an elite. Jordan Peterson is smart and articulate, but I find that he is definitely a part of the alt-right culture, and I don't think that's an accident or coincidence.