05-21-2019, 12:04 PM
Interesting thread... There are some important things that can be said about the thread's actual topic, and also what transpired inside the topic:
First, i would recommend everyone caution in their dealings within this forum, and also in real life, with other people - be it friends, family, colleagues or strangers.
There has been a recent, very strong magnetic storm, and people at large seem to get affected by those, even if the effect does not seem to be the same every time a geomagnetic storm happens. The last major storm, which happened last week, reached G4 level. That's the 2nd highest level, and we used to have a lot of G4s and G3, along with frequent G5s before and after 2011. The impact of such geogmagnetic storms on people is not largely studied, leave aside the lacking awareness about them in spiritual communities.
You can watch the space weather from below, bottom of the first chart shows geomagnetic storm activity.
https://watchers.news/space-weather-station/
How this relates to this thread is this: It seems the thread got highly charged, with people exhibiting strong reactions to each other and experiencing a lot of conflict.
This forum was not the only place in which this happened during the past week - i noticed similar behavior patterns in different online communities, and even in real life.
So, it seems that this last geomagnetic storm had had an effect in that direction on people at large - so for the next week or so, caution is advised in interacting with people anywhere, to avoid extremely charged situations which may potentially turn hurtful among the people...
..............
That said, i would like to return to the original topic of the thread, the 'eternal' 'love vs wisdom' debacle:
1 - In the most simple spiritual terms, there is no such thing.
In no density you cannot have love and not have wisdom, and have wisdom and not have love:
First one would lead to an entity which is accepting of everything there is and everything that happens but also an entity totally unaware about itself and the external existence.
The latter would lead to an entity which is totally aware of itself and the external existence, but totally estranged from everything, potentially even itself, and not seeing any worth in doing anything with anyone or anything, even including itself.
So such entities and such paths, do not exist. Even at the end of 5th positive or negative densities, entities do not reach 100% polarity.
So you cant have one without the other.
2 - As it pertains to Ra material, on the positive path one needs to have one, and then the other
Green is the energy of what is called love by our modern civilization, and blue is the energy of what is called wisdom in Ra material. Each pertain to 4th and 5th chakras accordingly.
And these repeat for each density in every sub-density octaves:
There is a 4th level of 3rd density, and a 5th level of 3rd density. So the 3rd density entity must first open its 4th chakra, ie 4th of 3rd, and then must open its 5th chakra of 3rd, to get to 3rd density wisdom.
The only way for the 3rd density entity to attain 4th density harvest is to open each and every chakra of 3rd density:
3rd of 3d, 4th of 3d, 5th of 3d, 6th of 3d and 7th of 3d.
This can either be done by the entity itself while incarnate, or it can be done by harvesters during harvest. The requirement is that the entity must be mature enough spiritually to be able to open all these chakras.
So there is no skipping 5th of 3rd, what is called wisdom, and then going to harvest.
This pertains to any/every entity which is incarnate or working inside this planetary sphere's 3rd density, including wanderers.
For wanderers of course there are more complex questions regarding their actual spiritual density and its vibratory level, but that's a way too huge topic.
However it must be noted that for such entities, and even for potential 3d graduates, it is important to have sufficient level of wisdom in order to be able to understand what kind of dynamics are going on in its relationship with any given entity or group, so that it can accept the other entity/group and the relationship regardless of its implications.
Otherwise there can be no exercise and development of love. Simply; you cannot 'accept as it is' what you dont even know.
The entity should be able to say "This person is harming/ignoring/neglecting me in this, that and in some other ways, but despite that i accept him or her as s/he is.'
The keyword here, as you can see, is 'despite'. If one has no understanding of what's going on, there is no 'despite'. There is 'I dont understand but i accept you', which is not accepting at all.
Some naturally may get hung up on the concept that is '3rd is not the density of understanding'.
That is correct, but density-wise: The general topic of 3d is not understanding at large. The general topic of 3d is social interactions and relations, and the choice the entity makes in respect to those.
The density of understanding is, ironically, the 4th: Ra explains 4th as the density in which entities look back on 3d and its interactions, and understand the entire density, what transpired, empathize, and mature through understanding to the density of wisdom, the density which starts learning the nature of existence.
Inside the 3d however, the rules of existence do not change and the sub octave of that density must repeat the same pattern which the entire octave of this creation has:
The entity must pass through all sub-densities of 3rd, from 1st to 7th, including 5th.
So a 3d entity must understand its density, in order to be able to move higher in that density. You cannot skip any sub-density, be your path positive or negative. Such a person would fail the harvest and there are no exceptions.
.......
Then there is the complication that this planet is now a 3-4d transitional planet, having green vibrations since 1930s, and then in this post-harvest period, starting to form 4d energies and its nascent 4d society.
So, this creates a very chaotic situation:
As new energies start to form, they are more in time/space as Ra mentions since clear separation in between the 4d physical space and 3d physical space did not happen yet, and therefore at any point a place may rise to 4d vibrations and then fall to 3d vibrations. Some may stay consistently in 4d vibrations, some may stay consistently in 3d vibrations.
This constitutes complex problems... At any point you may be in a 3d vibration zone in time/space, in another 4th. You dont even need to physically move - as the conditions in time/space change, the vibration of your location may change.
The major problem with that you gotta do 3d stuff when you are in 3d vibration and 4d stuff when you are in 4d vibration. You can do otherwise, but it would create friction and conflict with the energy around you, leading to actual problems.
When you adopt a 4d nature in an 3d environment, you can get exhausted and tired rapidly, and when you adopt a 3d nature in a 4d environment, you would have unused, unchanneled energy creating weight, and potentially heat...
........
However, beyond these complicated actual spiritual phenomena the main controversy about 'love vs wisdom' stems from a much more simple cultural phenomenon:
3 - As it pertains to modern - rather angloamerican - cultural and spiritual discourse, there is a tendency to confuse wisdom with intelligence and separate this from what is perceived as love, which is enforced by obscurantism that plagues cultures which have large influence from semitic religions
In such cultures, intelligence is perceived as 'cold', 'selfish', 'distant', 'emotionless' and being emotional is put as its opposite. This gets amplified by the obscurantist tendencies in semitic religions, which is on the rise as 'anti-intellectualism' in more right wing segments in, for example, US.
"Those people 'dont believe', they act 'rationally', according to their mind, and they reject the belief, and the one true god, which tells and gives us all we need. They are evil people"
.....
Spiritual discourse in anglosphere follows this trend, by equating intelligence with wisdom, and then equating being emotional with love.
And then ends up in this conundrum.
Not only intelligence does not directly pertain to wisdom, and emotion does not necessarily pertain to love, but also such a duality and such a rare phenomenon is not seen in other cultures. You can be intelligent and emotional in China, for example. And that doesnt even catch attention. Nor being wise and loving, in the actual sense.
But in Anglosphere, actually, mainly in US, there are such dysfunctional and non-applicable dualities. Which mainly stem from semitic religious influence as mentioned earlier, and its damning obscurantism.
Of course, we must also understand that this situation is greatly amplified by practical necessities:
Being aware and understanding yourself, your social circle, your relations and eventually your society poses great discomfort.
- Take someone who realizes that s/he is in an abusive relationship, for example. Accepting that realization and taking action may carry great social, psychological and even financial cost. Hence its much better to try to deny/ignore the realization.
- Or take someone who lives in a conservative religious social circle which claims to follow the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, say, in an US conservative region. Who realizes that despite such claims, his social circle does not actually accept anyone from outside their own flock like Jesus did, leave aside helping them or sharing their belongings, like Jesus also did. And actually, a great percentage of them are very materialist, in contrast to the totally anti-materialist nature of Jesus.
In such a situation, accepting this realization and perceiving the actual reality would give great discomfort to the person. Additionally, if s/he doesnt agree with that, put him or her in a position of potential conflict with the social circle s/he lives in. Much better to repress the understanding and slide into denialism, obscurantism, and avoid the repercussions.
- Another person realizes that despite having believed that his/her society is a free, progressive and democratic one, things are really not like they seem: Regardless of whom s/he votes for, always there is a person from the rich establishment getting elected and policies stay the same. S/he can speak, but it does not have any effect on anything. Maybe that is the reason why s/he is free to speak... The society is 'progressive', but it seems to be only for a certain group of people from the 'right' social, racial and economic segment... And it seems like all the 'work hard and you will succeed / get recognized / get rich' conditioning s/he received seems to be only for enabling and justifying a system of inequality that makes him/her work hard and gives the benefits to a very small number of people who control the system... Much better to repress the realization and keep working hard for that promotion and to pay the mortgage... And not think about politics at all...
.....
So as you can see, there is a great tendency towards anti-intellectualism, and as a consequence, 'wisdom' in those parts of the world, and parts that are affected by them...
But the reality of the matter is that, you are here today, reading these letters, in a forum about Ra material, a spiritual text which is pretty intellectual compared to every other spiritual text out there.
There is Bartholomew, which is love-love, that talks only about love and nothing else, but you are not in a forum that is dedicated to it.
There is Silver Birch, which is spiritual-love, that talks about higher spiritual principles and also love, but you are not in a forum dedicated to it either...
You could have easily found the non-understanding, comfortable and non-controversial environment you thought that was necessary in any such spiritual material and any community dedicated to it.
But you are here, reading and talking about Ra material instead.
That's because you were attracted to this material and the particular understanding it brings.
.......
Hence, you must pursue your own path which led you here.
You must take what you must take from this material. You must take what you must take from others who follow this material in accordance with their own spiritual journey.
Their paths do not necessarily coincide with yours. They may cross, they may touch, and separate.
Therefore, you must let others follow their own path, and even help them on it when your path crosses or touches theirs, and let them do the same.
First, i would recommend everyone caution in their dealings within this forum, and also in real life, with other people - be it friends, family, colleagues or strangers.
There has been a recent, very strong magnetic storm, and people at large seem to get affected by those, even if the effect does not seem to be the same every time a geomagnetic storm happens. The last major storm, which happened last week, reached G4 level. That's the 2nd highest level, and we used to have a lot of G4s and G3, along with frequent G5s before and after 2011. The impact of such geogmagnetic storms on people is not largely studied, leave aside the lacking awareness about them in spiritual communities.
You can watch the space weather from below, bottom of the first chart shows geomagnetic storm activity.
https://watchers.news/space-weather-station/
How this relates to this thread is this: It seems the thread got highly charged, with people exhibiting strong reactions to each other and experiencing a lot of conflict.
This forum was not the only place in which this happened during the past week - i noticed similar behavior patterns in different online communities, and even in real life.
So, it seems that this last geomagnetic storm had had an effect in that direction on people at large - so for the next week or so, caution is advised in interacting with people anywhere, to avoid extremely charged situations which may potentially turn hurtful among the people...
..............
That said, i would like to return to the original topic of the thread, the 'eternal' 'love vs wisdom' debacle:
1 - In the most simple spiritual terms, there is no such thing.
In no density you cannot have love and not have wisdom, and have wisdom and not have love:
First one would lead to an entity which is accepting of everything there is and everything that happens but also an entity totally unaware about itself and the external existence.
The latter would lead to an entity which is totally aware of itself and the external existence, but totally estranged from everything, potentially even itself, and not seeing any worth in doing anything with anyone or anything, even including itself.
So such entities and such paths, do not exist. Even at the end of 5th positive or negative densities, entities do not reach 100% polarity.
So you cant have one without the other.
2 - As it pertains to Ra material, on the positive path one needs to have one, and then the other
Green is the energy of what is called love by our modern civilization, and blue is the energy of what is called wisdom in Ra material. Each pertain to 4th and 5th chakras accordingly.
And these repeat for each density in every sub-density octaves:
There is a 4th level of 3rd density, and a 5th level of 3rd density. So the 3rd density entity must first open its 4th chakra, ie 4th of 3rd, and then must open its 5th chakra of 3rd, to get to 3rd density wisdom.
The only way for the 3rd density entity to attain 4th density harvest is to open each and every chakra of 3rd density:
3rd of 3d, 4th of 3d, 5th of 3d, 6th of 3d and 7th of 3d.
This can either be done by the entity itself while incarnate, or it can be done by harvesters during harvest. The requirement is that the entity must be mature enough spiritually to be able to open all these chakras.
So there is no skipping 5th of 3rd, what is called wisdom, and then going to harvest.
This pertains to any/every entity which is incarnate or working inside this planetary sphere's 3rd density, including wanderers.
For wanderers of course there are more complex questions regarding their actual spiritual density and its vibratory level, but that's a way too huge topic.
However it must be noted that for such entities, and even for potential 3d graduates, it is important to have sufficient level of wisdom in order to be able to understand what kind of dynamics are going on in its relationship with any given entity or group, so that it can accept the other entity/group and the relationship regardless of its implications.
Otherwise there can be no exercise and development of love. Simply; you cannot 'accept as it is' what you dont even know.
The entity should be able to say "This person is harming/ignoring/neglecting me in this, that and in some other ways, but despite that i accept him or her as s/he is.'
The keyword here, as you can see, is 'despite'. If one has no understanding of what's going on, there is no 'despite'. There is 'I dont understand but i accept you', which is not accepting at all.
Some naturally may get hung up on the concept that is '3rd is not the density of understanding'.
That is correct, but density-wise: The general topic of 3d is not understanding at large. The general topic of 3d is social interactions and relations, and the choice the entity makes in respect to those.
The density of understanding is, ironically, the 4th: Ra explains 4th as the density in which entities look back on 3d and its interactions, and understand the entire density, what transpired, empathize, and mature through understanding to the density of wisdom, the density which starts learning the nature of existence.
Inside the 3d however, the rules of existence do not change and the sub octave of that density must repeat the same pattern which the entire octave of this creation has:
The entity must pass through all sub-densities of 3rd, from 1st to 7th, including 5th.
So a 3d entity must understand its density, in order to be able to move higher in that density. You cannot skip any sub-density, be your path positive or negative. Such a person would fail the harvest and there are no exceptions.
.......
Then there is the complication that this planet is now a 3-4d transitional planet, having green vibrations since 1930s, and then in this post-harvest period, starting to form 4d energies and its nascent 4d society.
So, this creates a very chaotic situation:
As new energies start to form, they are more in time/space as Ra mentions since clear separation in between the 4d physical space and 3d physical space did not happen yet, and therefore at any point a place may rise to 4d vibrations and then fall to 3d vibrations. Some may stay consistently in 4d vibrations, some may stay consistently in 3d vibrations.
This constitutes complex problems... At any point you may be in a 3d vibration zone in time/space, in another 4th. You dont even need to physically move - as the conditions in time/space change, the vibration of your location may change.
The major problem with that you gotta do 3d stuff when you are in 3d vibration and 4d stuff when you are in 4d vibration. You can do otherwise, but it would create friction and conflict with the energy around you, leading to actual problems.
When you adopt a 4d nature in an 3d environment, you can get exhausted and tired rapidly, and when you adopt a 3d nature in a 4d environment, you would have unused, unchanneled energy creating weight, and potentially heat...
........
However, beyond these complicated actual spiritual phenomena the main controversy about 'love vs wisdom' stems from a much more simple cultural phenomenon:
3 - As it pertains to modern - rather angloamerican - cultural and spiritual discourse, there is a tendency to confuse wisdom with intelligence and separate this from what is perceived as love, which is enforced by obscurantism that plagues cultures which have large influence from semitic religions
In such cultures, intelligence is perceived as 'cold', 'selfish', 'distant', 'emotionless' and being emotional is put as its opposite. This gets amplified by the obscurantist tendencies in semitic religions, which is on the rise as 'anti-intellectualism' in more right wing segments in, for example, US.
"Those people 'dont believe', they act 'rationally', according to their mind, and they reject the belief, and the one true god, which tells and gives us all we need. They are evil people"
.....
Spiritual discourse in anglosphere follows this trend, by equating intelligence with wisdom, and then equating being emotional with love.
And then ends up in this conundrum.
Not only intelligence does not directly pertain to wisdom, and emotion does not necessarily pertain to love, but also such a duality and such a rare phenomenon is not seen in other cultures. You can be intelligent and emotional in China, for example. And that doesnt even catch attention. Nor being wise and loving, in the actual sense.
But in Anglosphere, actually, mainly in US, there are such dysfunctional and non-applicable dualities. Which mainly stem from semitic religious influence as mentioned earlier, and its damning obscurantism.
Of course, we must also understand that this situation is greatly amplified by practical necessities:
Being aware and understanding yourself, your social circle, your relations and eventually your society poses great discomfort.
- Take someone who realizes that s/he is in an abusive relationship, for example. Accepting that realization and taking action may carry great social, psychological and even financial cost. Hence its much better to try to deny/ignore the realization.
- Or take someone who lives in a conservative religious social circle which claims to follow the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, say, in an US conservative region. Who realizes that despite such claims, his social circle does not actually accept anyone from outside their own flock like Jesus did, leave aside helping them or sharing their belongings, like Jesus also did. And actually, a great percentage of them are very materialist, in contrast to the totally anti-materialist nature of Jesus.
In such a situation, accepting this realization and perceiving the actual reality would give great discomfort to the person. Additionally, if s/he doesnt agree with that, put him or her in a position of potential conflict with the social circle s/he lives in. Much better to repress the understanding and slide into denialism, obscurantism, and avoid the repercussions.
- Another person realizes that despite having believed that his/her society is a free, progressive and democratic one, things are really not like they seem: Regardless of whom s/he votes for, always there is a person from the rich establishment getting elected and policies stay the same. S/he can speak, but it does not have any effect on anything. Maybe that is the reason why s/he is free to speak... The society is 'progressive', but it seems to be only for a certain group of people from the 'right' social, racial and economic segment... And it seems like all the 'work hard and you will succeed / get recognized / get rich' conditioning s/he received seems to be only for enabling and justifying a system of inequality that makes him/her work hard and gives the benefits to a very small number of people who control the system... Much better to repress the realization and keep working hard for that promotion and to pay the mortgage... And not think about politics at all...
.....
So as you can see, there is a great tendency towards anti-intellectualism, and as a consequence, 'wisdom' in those parts of the world, and parts that are affected by them...
But the reality of the matter is that, you are here today, reading these letters, in a forum about Ra material, a spiritual text which is pretty intellectual compared to every other spiritual text out there.
There is Bartholomew, which is love-love, that talks only about love and nothing else, but you are not in a forum that is dedicated to it.
There is Silver Birch, which is spiritual-love, that talks about higher spiritual principles and also love, but you are not in a forum dedicated to it either...
You could have easily found the non-understanding, comfortable and non-controversial environment you thought that was necessary in any such spiritual material and any community dedicated to it.
But you are here, reading and talking about Ra material instead.
That's because you were attracted to this material and the particular understanding it brings.
.......
Hence, you must pursue your own path which led you here.
You must take what you must take from this material. You must take what you must take from others who follow this material in accordance with their own spiritual journey.
Their paths do not necessarily coincide with yours. They may cross, they may touch, and separate.
Therefore, you must let others follow their own path, and even help them on it when your path crosses or touches theirs, and let them do the same.