Why the hate for wisdom?

[Jade]

Seriously though anagogy, this is a huge strawman, because we've already established that we agree that removing posts that are a personal attack is not "deplatforming". I can only think of two people that I know of who have been banned since I've been moderator, and it was because both of them had an absolute melt down behind the scenes. And as I said before, this extremely archaic "platform" is very easily and freely replicable if you want to create your own offshoot. Heck, if you put a bit of advertising into it, you'd probably create an even further reach than this forum has! It's not fair to hijack someone else's platform - and this was made in Carla's vision. Carla preferred the path of martyrdom/green ray, clearly. I think if her hand was on the ban button she would be extremely less lenient than we are now, because the type of language people get away with using towards each other here is far too extreme. People don't talk like this to each other in real life, and I think she would be shocked if she knew how people talk to each other behind a guise of anonymity on the internet. Maybe I'm being presumptuous, but I think we are too desensitized to being disrespectful towards each other, and our threshold for being disrespected is much higher on the internet. Carla was an old lady who, thank goodness, never really had to be a part of the free speech zone that is the world wide web. I'm under the assumption that Carla would be "on the side" of "SJWs" who seek "political correctness", these of course just being buzz words for "people who stand up to bullies who are mean to people".

Well obviously I don't agree with your interpretation here, and I don't have the time to create my own forum, so I think that is a bit of silly suggestion. But I understand why you'd want to get rid of me.

I was simply giving my two cents on a place I care about. I don't have the ability to hijack this place, so your concern is unjustified. I think you are making a lot of assumptions about Carla. But it is easy to put words in someones mouth when they aren't around. I see "SJWs" do that a lot as an appeal to authority, rather than logic.

SJW's are the bullies of the new world. Their mentality is: "if you don't agree with me, I will find a way to shut you down." But who needs logic, or free speech, when you have social justice?

Do you have examples of where you think Bring4th has deplatformed somebody?

I volunteer my time to do this, so I understand how much work goes into something like that. I'm not 'trying to get rid of you'. I'm offering a secondary solution. Seems easier to start from scratch than to fight what is, especially when it's so easy. I figured since there were so many people who have a different, but shared, ideal of what a Law of One forum should look like, that together you could make easy work of it. But it's true, it takes a significant amount of work, and more than time, it costs quite a bit of emotional energy, as well, because unfortunately, you can never be everything for everyone, you can just do your best to be what you think is helpful for the majority, while being true to the self.

Here is an excerpt from Tilting At Windmills, in Carla's own words, about her viewpoint on Bring4th, from which I made my presumptions:

GARY We resume with the final chapter of the L/L Research story. Carla and Jim, in May, 2008, you crossed paths with Steve Engratt. What happened there?

Carla Well, I had been trying to get an online community going for some time. It had gone through two tries before that; they both failed, and we pulled them offline. I think they exist somewhere in the bowels of old versions of stuff, but we don’t have those versions and as far as I know, they’re gone. So, Steve was a guy that wanted to do a website too, and his vision was very compatible with mine—of it being a place where we could bring together people who were lonely and who wanted to talk freely in a positive atmosphere. So we talked about it with you [Gary] and Jim—for the most part you—and we three sort of cobbled together that original vision for the present incarnation of Bring4th.org. We set what it was that we wanted to do and how we were going to try to do it as far as priorities go. I think the first thing was a forum—set the forums up, and then we set up other fea-tures. We went online bit-by-bit.[1]I was really thrilled with Engratt’s work. He was very positive, and I was very deeply involved in writing at that point. I believe I asked you to find a way to monitor the communications in the forums to make sure that all the postings were respectful and loving and had a good energy to them. So there has always been oversight there. By necessity, being a dinosaur as far as computers and all things computer-ese go, I had to leave the technical aspects in your hands. I’ve been very thrilled with the results through the years. Seems like it’s being of service and that is our goal.

GARY Do you feel that your vision was fulfilled in what we were able to build? It sounds like you’re satisfied with it.

Carla I did feel that my vision was fulfilled because I basically wanted a place where people could go and talk; they certainly can, and they certainly do. I don’t know how many thousands of posts we’ve had on there now, but it’s way up there.

GARY Maybe over 100,000 at this point[2]?

Carla So people are finding good conversations and it has been kept from being ugly. Once somebody starts to be ugly, they’re warned and they go through a fairly long process of being warned and being talked to. Almost every case you can work it out and smooth it out. In some very few cases we had to stop the postings from being available with these people, simply because they are going to be ugly, and we don’t want that energy online. Nowhere on the site do we want anything except loving energy.

GARY Moderating is not often a fun or rewarding task.[3]

Carla No, it’s a tough job. But somebody’s got to do it.

Gary's personal footnote [3]: "Empirically speaking, it is the worst.[font=sans-serif]"[/font]