Are martyrs actually selfish auto-addicts?

[Jade]

Why is it more appropriate to engage you in PM? I'm not only talking to you. I'm talking to everyone who reads this thread. I spoke out against my problem with the subversion, because I think people need to speak up when they see things that are dangerous.

To me, my estimation of your OP is that you are condemning people who do good acts. Am I missing something?

Ra is not unequivocal that martyrdom is unwise, Ra says that martyrdom is perfect and a beacon to many. My point was to correct misconceptions about what "martyrdom" is and isn't, because you are making a lot of proclamations about "martyrdom". According to Ra, martyrdom is selfless service unto death. And the only reason it is unwanted is because with death, the incarnation ends, and so does the loci from which you have created to do service. Do you really know people who are literally killing themselves because they are too selfless?

75.15 ▶ Questioner: The chink then, as I understand it, was originally created by the decision of Jesus to take the path of martyrdom? Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is, in relation to this instrument, quite correct. It is aware of certain over-balances towards love, even to martyrdom but has not yet, to any significant degree, balanced these distortions. We do not imply that this course of unbridled compassion has any fault but affirm its perfection. It is an example of love which has served as beacon to many.

For those who seek further, the consequences of martyrdom must be considered, for in martyrdom lies the end of the opportunity, in the density of the martyr, to offer love and light. Each entity must seek its deepest path.

It is indeed so that all mind/body/spirit complexes shall die to the third-density illusion; that is, that each yellow-ray physical-complex body shall cease to be viable. It is a misnomer to, for this reason alone, call each mind/body/spirit complex a martyr, for this term is reserved for those who lay down their lives for the service they may provide to others. We may encourage meditation upon the functions of the will.

Basically the gist of your OP is that you find people who are too service focused to be annoying. Here are some quotes:

So, really, what is motivating these people is that they "feel good" on the inside, more so than they are actually creating positive results in the outer world.

the bottom line is that addiction is addiction, and at a biochemical level, there really isn't much difference between the chronic do-gooder and a person who is addicted to cocaine, gambling, or porn, or accumulating "likes" on social media.

Whereas for other types of addictive behaviors, there is more of a risk associated in terms of losing social favor, thus driving a person to engage their addiction "in the dark", being a goody-goody allows a person to feed their addiction out in the open, and even garner further rewards for doing so.

the shadow side of altruism

If we look beyond the surface of the so-called "personality shell" martyrs often exhibit characteristics that are quite selfish.

the effect is often that friends and family of the martyr find themselves having to put their own hopes, dreams, and goals aside in order to take care of the now-damaged martyr

These are extreme proclamations, and seems to imply that selflessness is selfishness. Most people need encouragement to step into the open heart, not out of it, and I think OPs like yours do nothing but discourage people from using the open heart.

Curious to hear some thoughts and perspectives.

I think your thoughts are subversive and I disagree. What makes them subversive is that you take a thread of truth (service unto death is not balanced) and you twist it into a frame of view that makes other doubt their motivations for service to others. This kind of stuff is dangerous, in my opinion - more dangerous than the potential negative greeting that could occur if you are too selfless. Again, Ra was talking to Carla about the negative fifth density entity who was targeting her because she was doing extremely magically powerful stuff. Most people are not in danger of dying because of the service they choose, like Carla was. Carla literally would think, "I'm okay if I don't wake up" every time she went into trance. This is why Ra was very firm with Carla to work on her martyr tendencies - they were literal martyr tendencies.

And if people are having a problem with it, I can put a disclaimer in my signature that says "I do not speak for Austin, Garry, Gary, or L/L Research" if this is too confusing to see me as having a singular opinion even though my forum name has a prefix. We have a generic "bring4th_mod" account that we would use if it was coming from group consensus. Otherwise, I have not changed my style of participating in these forums hardly at all since becoming moderator, and I think it would be worse if I consciously tried to change my "tone" than if I just continue to post what I feel as a student who has studied this material in depth. And I'm not claiming to be an expert, I just am sure with my familiarity of the material because I've read it so many times. To me this seems like an obvious misinterpretation to anyone who has sincerely meditated on these concepts.