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    05-13-2019, 12:11 PM (This post was last modified: 05-13-2019, 01:31 PM by anagogy.)
    (05-13-2019, 07:50 AM)Infinite Wrote: I don't remember of read that. Can you indicate what questions are?


    100.6 ▶ Questioner: Thank you. To continue with the tarot, I would like to make the additional observation with respect to Card Six that the male’s arms being crossed, if the female to his right pulls on his left hand it would cant, in effect turn him, his entire body, toward the right and the same is true for the female on the left: pulling on his right hand she will turn his entire body to her side. Which is my interpretation of what’s meant by the tangle of the arms. That the transformation occurs by pull which attempts to turn the entity toward the left or the right-hand path. Would Ra comment on that observation?

    Ra: I am Ra. We shall. The concept of the pull towards mental polarity may well be examined in the light of what the student has already accreted concerning the nature of the conscious, exemplified by the male, and the unconscious, exemplified by the female. Indeed, both the prostituted and the virginal of deep mind invite and await the reaching.

    In this image of Transformation of Mind, then, each of the females points the way it would go, but is not able to move, nor are the two female entities striving to do so. They are at rest. The conscious entity holds both and will turn itself one way or the other or, potentially, backwards and forwards, rocking first one way then the other and not achieving the transformation. In order for the Transformation of Mind to occur, one principle governing the use of the deep mind must be abandoned.

    It is to be noted that the triangular shape formed by the shoulders and crossed elbows of consciousness is a shape to be associated with transformation. Indeed, you may see this shape echoed twice more in the image, each echo having its own riches to add to the impact of this complex of concepts.


    They describe it as a "triangle" which it could also be viewed as I suppose. I mistakenly thought they said "L" shape. It still is, it is just tipped more.


    OK. I’m sort of hunting around here for an entry into some information. I may not be looking in a productive area.

    But you had stated that “we (that is Ra) had been aided by shapes such as the pyramid, so that we could aid your people with a shape such as the pyramid.” These shapes have been mentioned many, many times and you have also stated that the shapes themselves aren’t of too much consequence. I see a relation between these shapes and the energies that we have been studying with respect to the body, and I would like to ask a few questions on the pyramid to see if I might get an entry into some of this understanding.

    You stated, “You will find the intersection of the triangle which is at the first level on each of the four sides forms a diamond in a plane which is horizontal.” Can you tell me what you meant by the word, intersection?

    Ra: I am Ra. Your mathematics and arithmetic have a paucity of configurative descriptions which we might use. Without intending to be obscure, we may note that the purpose of the shapes is to work with time/space portions of the mind/body/spirit complex. Therefore, the intersection is both space/time and time/space oriented and thus is expressed in three dimensional geometry by two intersections which, when projected in both time/space and space/time, form one point.


    There is another section where they make reference to three dimensions of time and three dimensions of space when talking about the physics of Dewey Larson with his reciprocal system. But sadly I cannot find it for the life of me at the moment. If I find it I will edit this post and add it. But essentially space and time are reciprocals of one another, and there are 3 directions of space, and 3 directions of time.

    (05-13-2019, 07:50 AM)Infinite Wrote: What would be the correlation of this with tesseract?

    The correlation is congruency. A tesseract, in it's most basic geometrical form, is two 3 dimensional cubes joined by another 3 dimensional cube that goes through the fourth dimension. This describes a 4 dimensional cube (a tesseract). Well to be completely accurate, for symmetry there would be a total of 8 cubes connected in a proper tesseract, but let's not make this too complicated. Anyway there are 16 vertices. What are two moments in time stretching from past to future? A 3D space joined to another 3D space through the fourth dimension. In reality what you see as depictions of a tesseract are misleading because you have to keep in mind all the lines are the same length, so of course it cannot be properly conveyed on a 2D surface (like a book or computer screen). Also, in reality, time and space are more complex than the simple analogy of a cube and hypercube because they are actually ultimately spherical in nature, so instead of cubes and hypercubes you're actually dealing with spheres and hyperspheres. However, the dimensions remain perpendicular to each other, and the concept remains rather similar. But we can save that complexity for another time because it just adds to the confusion.

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    (05-13-2019, 07:50 AM)Infinite Wrote: Charles W. Leadbeater from Theosophy said astral plane is the fourth dimension because is possible see all the sides of an object at the same time on astral plane:


    Quote:but I can at any rate bear witness that he tesseract or fourthdimensional cube which he describes is a reality,for it is quite a familiar figure upon the astral plane.

    (05-13-2019, 07:50 AM)Infinite Wrote: And to him, the time is not the fourth dimension:

    Quote:Time is not in reality the fourth dimension at all; yet to look at it for the moment from that point of view is some slight help towards grasping the ungraspable.

    As I said above, it depends of what we consider as "dimension". If just an addition to spatial mensuration Leadbeater seems right. If we consider time as a dimension, your view makes sense. If we consider the sub-planes or "places" as dimensions the etheric plane could be the fourth or fifth dimension (it depends if how we see the time). So, this is very complex, much more than density concept, because this last is about frequencies of vibration and not necessarily places.

    Well, with respect to Leadbeater, he was an occultist, and I don't think he was properly visualizing "time" (though he was right about the seeing all sides of an object at once because you have complete access to all points of the lower dimensional objects). It is indeed the fourth dimension. If I may offer an explanation of his probable thinking process: he was making the confusion that many occultists make, thinking that planes are the same thing as spatial dimensions, so being the occultist that he was, he came to the conclusion that the astral plane was obviously not time (from his perspective), so it logically couldn't be the fourth dimension. The confusion is understandable, because the astral plane is not the exactly the same thing as the "direction" we call time. It is correlated though because the natural complexity of space/time and time/space is associated with vibrational level. The medium that "vibrates" is awareness, or intelligent energy, and depending on the complexity of this vibration, or reciprocal vibration or motion, a certain degree of complexity, or "shape", of space/time and time/space accretes to it, causing a certain type of inner and outer experience. I realize this can be immensely confusing.

    This may help the confusion in some small part: the 90 degree direction or axis associated with the progression of planes and bodies stretching from the tangible to the intangible, the physical to the ethereal, is the 6D inner/outer direction. Keep in mind, every higher spatial direction encompasses the one below it, so the 6th dimension contains all the lower dimensions within its substrate. This axis contains and structurally connects the grosser vibrations to the more subtle vibrations. I wish there were an easier way to describe these complex topics. It takes a lot of meditation on spatial directions for this to become natural to "see". It's incredibly difficult to visualize.
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    Correspondence Between Densities and Traditional Planes of Existence - by Infinite - 09-21-2016, 06:58 PM
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    RE: Correspondence Between Densities and Traditional Planes of Existence - by anagogy - 09-22-2016, 06:11 AM
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