(03-23-2019, 02:46 PM)Taralie Peterdaughter Wrote: Well the classic double slit experiment shows the observer affects the results of subatomic particles. Easy to find on you tube. This is one example of many in quantum physics that show that perception is not proof of separation. After all everything is in your head.
I'm very familiar with the double slit experiment. The only problem is that if you were to ask a mainstream physicist like Sean Carroll, Neil Degrasse Tyson, or Michio Kaku for example whether consciousness is what causes the wave-particle-collapse in these experiments they would answer to the negative. A mainstream physicist is going to say that it is "measurement" that causes particle collapse, not observation. Sort of like when you drop your keys behind your car seat and try to reach for them, the act of reaching for them moves them into a new position (because it interferes with it). I'm not saying I necessarily agree with this explanation, just that this is the defacto materialist explanation, so generally I think resorting to these types of mainstream physicalist ideas to explain spiritual things really just ends up hurting the actual metaphysical narrative or explanation (but that is just my opinion).
Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying that is necessarily correct, or incorrect, just pointing out that "quantum" is the word that new age "woo" adopts into their vocabulary when they are trying to make their somewhat "wobbly" explanations sound more "believable" and "scientific". I think it is ultimately self defeating to use it as a bridge to explanation of how the physical and the metaphysical relate. Every new age author basically just tacks on the word "quantum" to whatever they write, and BAM, instant pseudo credibility (for a large group of people anyway). And then the materialists tear it apart on mainstream media programs, thereby supporting their agenda to "physicalize" everything.
(03-23-2019, 02:46 PM)Taralie Peterdaughter Wrote: Everything outside and inside. There is literally no way to absolutely prove the outside world even exists in its own right. Buddhist meditative practices have revealed there is no self or other that all is one. Ithat these concepts fall away with an intensely focused meditative practice or through sudden realization. Ive never experienced it but I believe them that write and spoke of it. Meditation is a very physical practice. Only mental in the way that the mind is focused and awareness is concentrated. Like a magnifying lens channelling the sun shine to create fire. The lens is awareness, the sun is spirit and the fire is the purification of the physical into a purer being. Ha! I just made that up but sounds fun. But aside from that process. I just feel the body picks up on information from spirit that the mind is too stupid to understand.
I don't disagree that sometimes the body picks up on intuitive information (like hair standing up on ends) but I don't think it is picking up on bodily information, which is limited to space and time, but rather translating information from the spirit, which is where all becomes one.
I think it is the mind that chooses. As to whether the choice leans to the spiritual or the physical is a completely separate question (how catalyst is used). I think the body helps reflect the development of the spirit (that is when it starts to act like an "antennae").
(03-23-2019, 02:46 PM)Taralie Peterdaughter Wrote: So I suppose I see them as prongs in a fork like someone wrote earlier, rather than one higher than the other. Hierarchy in general is probably illusion. Everything is synergistic.
I agree that they are not hierarchical. As Ra said, the mind, body, and spirit "are inextricably intertwined and cannot continue, one without the other. Thus we refer to the mind/body/spirit complex rather than attempting to deal with them separately, for the work, shall we say, that you do during your experiences is done through the interaction of these three components, not through any one."