Session 89 - Two Negatively Polarizing Wanderers

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It does not change the fact that this is still the density of sleep and forgetting. You were not born remembering all your incarnations upon this plane, it was veiled just like what's in between.

Eh?  OK I think either we are talking about two different things, or have come to an impasse.  Your response, again while overall quite agreeable to me, appears to be responding to everything but the central point.   I'm just not sure whether this is intentional or not at this point!  You seem earnest enough to me, however I am not sure why you are avoiding the main point.

Perhaps it is because we are at an impasse.  Which is fine.  

It appears that you believe people who are spiritually asleep within their incarnation are choosing to do so.  I believe they have been unwittingly manipulated into such a state.

Perhaps it is a bit of both.  But in any case, I feel that the remainder of what we both have been saying makes total sense, and quite logically follows from our basic premise.

The thing is we don't appear to agree on the basic premise.  Which is fine, and I don't even think one of us needs to be "right" here and one of us needs to be "wrong."

If we put ourselves back in that little Trekky scene I shared earlier, it is as if you and I, two equal ranking officers on the ship, have different views on whether or not we would be breaking the Prime Directive by taking a particular action.

I see your points.  I do not agree with your assessment that people are choosing to sleep within their incarnations.  If I did, I think I would be right there with you about everything else.

And that is great!  Thank you for being here.  I do very much enjoy exploring the borders and fringes of various philosophies.

It is our own responsibility to balance ourselves and an avoidance of doing so in attempting to balance others is a distorted endeavor. I'm not denying its purpose, I'm just saying what it is in response to your questionings.

It is no more or less distorted than attempting to balance one self.  

The positive polarity attempts to see through the illusion to the Creator in each mind/body/spirit complex, but for the greater part is concerned with behaviors and thoughts directed towards other-selves in order to be of service. This attitude in itself is full of the stuff of your third-density illusion.

We of the positive polarity must needs interact with other selves.  We cannot do their work for them, not because it would be "right or wrong" to do so, but because we simply cannot do it.   It is not possible for us.

And this is why telling somebody "this or that" about themselves, or giving them feedback on their opinions that may have not been explicitly asked for.... this is not doing their work for them.  It is simply an attempt at communication.

What needs to be understood is that free will is in truth unbound to every other law, certain things only make sense later in time and one gets to see why they had to not see.

Fair enough.   I would only add for the possibility of also, later in time, to see that what appeared to have been a free will choice at one level, was not at another level.

And indeed, that type of "detuning" process... we could also call it "brainwashing" or "mind hacking"... or for example in the cases of child molestation we might call "grooming" is most definitely a favorite toy of those on the negative path.  It's all about manipulating others bit by bit... step by step drawing them away from their center, all the while being very careful to make sure that the victim "agrees" with each step they are taking.

Taking action to nudge somebody toward their center, is a different type of action.

I'm not sure why you are so concerned with polarity and harvest.

The thing with the material is that there was a clear intent on the purpose of sharing the Law of One, but the questioning derailed from there for the vast majority of the work.

I'm not primarily concerned with that.  As I previously mentioned, my interest is in the communications about this creation being experimental in nature.  And discussing how changing various parameters and conditions of the experiment might produce different results.  Polarity and harvest just so happen to be two of the outcomes of these experiments that can be measured and compared.

Yet, since we find ourselves poorly equipped to measure polarity from within the illusion, we cannot make many claims about individual cases, however we may generalize across the whole.  It is not ideal, but it is what we are given to work with.

Ra says (if we are to take them at their word) that the purpose of incarnation is to spiritually grow and evolve, and that the various Logoi have set themselves about to create various environments where this spiritual growth is to occur.

I am not going to take the time to repeat these points again here, so by all means keep participating.  However, if you choose to persist in drawing me off the central point, and making me repeat myself over and over, then I will just stop responding here.  If that happens, please take no personal offense.