03-12-2019, 08:27 PM
(03-12-2019, 04:06 PM)redchartreuse Wrote: Do you see? "Pointing out a paradox" is no different from what I called a "zen slap." It really isn't. Maybe... slap was poor choice of words as people have apparently had very large emotional reactions to it.
But we are all adults here, right? I think we are all capable of speaking to the point, and looking past the surface of communication style. Yes?
I guess it always depends on the context. Because of your query in association to free will, I may have assumed a kind of unasked help in knowledge it is unwanted.
(03-12-2019, 04:06 PM)redchartreuse Wrote: Firstly, I am not asking anybody to "change". I am inviting them to take up the path of growth they have previously chosen, and this is what I am calling "awakening." It is awakening to one's spiritual purpose, which at the bare minimum, is growth and evolution. It doesn't mean I have any idea what that is. Or how they should go about it.
Well here you see, I think the sleeping is what offers rapid growth, that this is why 3D forges a soul unlike any following density.
There's this quote that touches this:
Quote:50.7 ▶ Questioner: Thank you. Can you expand on the concept which is this: that it is necessary for an entity to, during incarnation in the physical as we call it, become polarized or interact properly with other entities and why this isn’t possible in between incarnations when he is aware of what he wants to do, but why must he come into an incarnation and lose memory, conscious memory of what he wants to do and then act in a way that he hopes to act? Could you expand on that please?
Ra: I am Ra. Let us give the example of the man who sees all the poker hands. He then knows the game. It is but child’s play to gamble, for it is no risk. The other hands are known. The possibilities are known and the hand will be played correctly but with no interest.
In time/space and in the true-color green density, the hands of all are open to the eye. The thoughts, the feelings, the troubles, all these may be seen. There is no deception and no desire for deception. Thus much may be accomplished in harmony but the mind/body/spirit gains little polarity from this interaction.
Let us re-examine this metaphor and multiply it into the longest poker game you can imagine, a lifetime. The cards are love, dislike, limitation, unhappiness, pleasure, etc. They are dealt and re-dealt and re-dealt continuously. You may, during this incarnation begin — and we stress begin — to know your own cards. You may begin to find the love within you. You may begin to balance your pleasure, your limitations, etc. However, your only indication of other-selves’ cards is to look into the eyes.
You cannot remember your hand, their hands, perhaps even the rules of this game. This game can only be won by those who lose their cards in the melting influence of love; can only be won by those who lay their pleasures, their limitations, their all upon the table face up and say inwardly: “All, all of you players, each other-self, whatever your hand, I love you.” This is the game: to know, to accept, to forgive, to balance, and to open the self in love. This cannot be done without the forgetting, for it would carry no weight in the life of the mind/body/spirit beingness totality.
(03-12-2019, 04:06 PM)redchartreuse Wrote: I don't even know if any given moment is the "right time" all I know is I am there/then in THAT moment when an opportunity arises.
Secondly, the goal isn't everybody. It is one person at a time.
I never said everybody. And I never said I expected it to work all the time, in fact, I said it doesn't work most of the time.
But sometimes it makes a difference... to that one. And then they thank me.
This is what I said, but few appear to be responding to that...?
I may have taken into account your 'spiritual sleepers' thread as you having an issue more at large.
It doesn't sound any bad as you are saying it here, without any distortion none could play their own role either. We are in a dance and that surely is well.
(03-12-2019, 04:06 PM)redchartreuse Wrote: Acceptance is not a two-dimensional concept. It is not either/or. Acceptance can occur at some levels, and not at other levels. At certain times, and not at other times. It is not so cut and dried.
I think there are infinite things that require acceptance, but that they will all be met in time.
(03-12-2019, 04:06 PM)redchartreuse Wrote:Quote:Let's say that the energy in your words can water another' soul, do you want to offer remarks energized with frustration or something a tad more clean? Not that frustration can't make a good catalyst, just that it also needs to be recognized as originating from the self.
I see where you are going, though I must tell you that I tend to think of this in terms of effective or not effective. Remarks are as they are, with all the appurtenant emotional tinges incumbent upon me being in human form. I do not claim to have achieved such a level of emotional Mastery so as to be able to veil my feelings, nor would I consider it to be very wise to do so.
Veiled feelings... this is a big reason why people sleep, I think. They don't believe themselves capable of bearing the truth of how other human beings truly feel toward them.
You know... the ones who couldn't care less about their well-being unless it earns them an extra buck. Or the ones actually consciously acting to make them into willing slaves.
No, we are too busy becoming outraged at others who are "judging us" for behaving outrageously. If only those a******* would just come to "love and accept us as we are" then we could really get this "love and peace" show on the road!
The quote I gave on overcoming was exactly about effectiveness. I think when it says "We have found it to be inappropriate in the extreme to encourage the overcoming of any desires" or how they say "the reason it is unwise to overcome", it is trying to bring a focus upon effectiveness in doing what you want to do. I see it like a tip from a wider point of view, one that sees more across time the causes and effects of things.