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    03-08-2019, 02:33 PM (This post was last modified: 03-08-2019, 03:41 PM by redchartreuse.)
    (03-08-2019, 11:05 AM)xise Wrote: I agree with much you have to say about using discernment and trusting that regardless of what happens all is well. At the end of the day, I personally don’t think the sky is falling; if indeed current vaccines are somewhat unsafe as I believe is likely, it’s not something that is killing or harming babies in droves.

    Yes, well nothing is 100% safe.  Anything with the potential to help also has the potential to harm.  If we consider against the backdrop of adverse effects of medications and surgical procedures gone bad, vaccines are extremely safe by comparison.  And same goes for natural remedies like medicinal herbs, essential oils, and vitamin supplements.  They can cause significant harm, too, even when used properly, which is exceedingly rare.

    Actually, the field of natural medicine has it somewhat worse due to the pervasive belief that anything "natural" cannot be harmful to the body.  I note that most of the propaganda promoting these disinformative attitudes can be found in exactly the same places as rabid anti-vax disinfo.  Something perhaps to ponder upon.

    And then there is even considerable harm possible through metaphysical approaches like energy healing, crystals and pyramids, ayahuasca ceremonies, etc.  At least, a conventional medical professional has to go through a quite considerable training process before administering cures, whereas just about anybody can read a couple of books on energy healing, or have a couple Reiki attunenements, and decide that they are now qualified to heal others.  Or throw a condor feather in their hair and declare themselves a shaman.
     
    Hell, I've even seen harm done by yoga.

    Quote:Rather, it’s a small percentage of unnecessary harmfulness that we generally accept that is more reflective of the values of our society about how in all things we cut slight corners in the name of profit and expediency, and then realize decades later what has happened (ozone layer, climate change, roundup, heavy metals/arsenic contamination of groundwater and rice due to chemical usage, plastic pollution in the ocean, etc).

    Oh for sure, those types of attitudes you point out are big factors to take into consideration.  But these types of mental laziness, shortsightedness, blind ideologies, etc. permeate- indeed saturate- every aspect of our cultures.  So from that standpoint, there is no particular benefit to be seen to placing all of one's "concern chips" on vaccinations.

    To my perception, becoming an anti-vax zealot (or throwing all of one's irrational fears behind any other pet cause) only serves to further separate and fragment the populace, and tend to blind a person to, perhaps, more pressing agendas or things that are actually of larger concern to the whole.

    An image comes to mind, for example, of a rabid vegan who is obsessed with the plight of the cows, meanwhile missing that the bees are in extreme danger due to our unenlightened methods of growing fruits and vegetables, and not the least of which is the process of making their precious almond milk.  

    If the bees go, we all go.  So, to my estimation, their well-being should be of a top concern among animal activists.  And then we can figure out the cows later, once we have secured the survival of advanced life on the planet.

    By the way, kudos for you for finding the fortitude to challenge your beliefs, and for being courageous enough to admit to others that you may have held an overly distorted view on something!   This is quite refreshing too see, and takes much more of an effort than most appear to be willing or able to muster during these times.  Smile

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    2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Plenum - 06-06-2015, 10:43 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by APeacefulWarrior - 06-07-2015, 02:47 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Monica - 06-07-2015, 04:59 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Minyatur - 06-07-2015, 05:10 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Jeremy - 06-07-2015, 05:44 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Minyatur - 06-07-2015, 05:51 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Jeremy - 06-07-2015, 06:50 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Monica - 06-07-2015, 08:26 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by isis - 03-09-2019, 07:38 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Jeremy - 06-07-2015, 08:41 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Shawnna - 06-07-2015, 08:51 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Monica - 06-07-2015, 09:35 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Minyatur - 06-07-2015, 09:49 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Monica - 06-07-2015, 10:09 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Minyatur - 06-07-2015, 10:25 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Monica - 06-07-2015, 10:39 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by isis - 06-07-2015, 11:00 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Monica - 06-08-2015, 10:49 AM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Naeteeri - 02-15-2017, 07:04 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Coordinate_Apotheosis - 02-15-2017, 08:01 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by isis - 02-16-2017, 01:54 AM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by xise - 02-17-2017, 05:24 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Coordinate_Apotheosis - 02-18-2017, 03:31 AM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by xise - 02-18-2017, 05:19 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by xise - 02-19-2017, 06:29 PM
    ________ - by GentleWanderer - 02-20-2017, 02:16 PM
    ________ - by GentleWanderer - 02-20-2017, 03:56 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Coordinate_Apotheosis - 02-20-2017, 03:29 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Coordinate_Apotheosis - 02-20-2017, 04:11 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by caycegal - 03-15-2017, 09:51 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by xise - 03-16-2017, 01:41 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Aaron - 03-16-2017, 10:55 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by xise - 09-18-2017, 07:26 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by unity100 - 09-19-2017, 10:56 AM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by rva_jeremy - 09-19-2017, 11:24 AM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Spooner - 09-19-2017, 12:57 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by xise - 10-18-2017, 04:55 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Stranger - 10-19-2017, 12:15 PM
    _________ - by GentleWanderer - 10-19-2017, 05:12 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by xise - 10-19-2017, 05:49 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Stranger - 10-19-2017, 12:25 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by xise - 10-19-2017, 05:58 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by xise - 10-20-2017, 03:05 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by xise - 10-20-2017, 03:29 PM
    ______ - by GentleWanderer - 10-20-2017, 05:32 PM
    _______ - by GentleWanderer - 11-09-2017, 06:43 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by xise - 11-21-2017, 07:41 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by xise - 03-07-2019, 09:34 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by redchartreuse - 03-08-2019, 01:43 AM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Tae - 03-08-2019, 08:13 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by xise - 03-08-2019, 11:05 AM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by redchartreuse - 03-08-2019, 02:33 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Louisabell - 03-08-2019, 04:12 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by redchartreuse - 03-08-2019, 11:54 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by xise - 03-09-2019, 12:26 AM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by redchartreuse - 03-09-2019, 12:54 AM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by xise - 03-09-2019, 01:11 AM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by redchartreuse - 03-09-2019, 02:10 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Louisabell - 03-09-2019, 01:16 AM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by flofrog - 03-09-2019, 02:23 AM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by flofrog - 03-08-2019, 07:24 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Relax - 03-09-2019, 04:13 AM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Louisabell - 03-10-2019, 03:41 AM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Relax - 03-10-2019, 04:31 AM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Louisabell - 03-10-2019, 08:17 AM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Relax - 03-10-2019, 09:57 AM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Louisabell - 03-10-2019, 10:50 AM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by AnthroHeart - 03-09-2019, 01:10 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Relax - 03-10-2019, 02:33 AM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by xise - 03-09-2019, 03:54 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by redchartreuse - 03-09-2019, 04:00 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by xise - 03-09-2019, 04:16 PM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by redchartreuse - 03-09-2019, 04:51 PM
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    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by Louisabell - 03-10-2019, 08:19 AM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by xise - 03-10-2019, 04:54 AM
    RE: 2011.03.05 Q'uo on Vaccines - by xise - 03-24-2019, 03:28 PM
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