Is there more than the One?

[anagogy]

anagogy, you have understood precisely what I was saying.

Your claim is that although infinity has attributes, those attributes are inherent in the definition of infinity rather than created.  My point is that this may be so, but it's an assumption and therefore may also not be so.

Of course no one knows with absolute certainty (and I would advise running from anyone if they say they do). I'm simply offering my bias of beliefs based on what I've explored.

What we seem to be a part of here is a consciousness of infinite creative capacity that does not understand itself and therefore has to create to make sense of itself.  If we consider that this is "the whole story", it sounds absurdly suspicious.  It implies a lack that this being has to work to remedy!  It sounds just like what happens when we are born in 3D and don't know our true nature, having therefore to fumble around creating this and that and experiencing our creations, until we figure out the larger story.

I think Ra was being overly simplistic when they said the creator was trying to "know itself". A more accurate way of thinking about it, from my perspective, is that it was trying to "express itself". The painter wants to paint. The creator wants to create. That is also one of the inherent natures of infinity (in my opinion). This coincides with knowing itself, however. This is not possible in the undistorted unity, so it must contract in illusion, allowing a space in which to create. A blank canvas if you will. It is the one desire that arises not from lack, but from the plenum of abundance that is infinity. So each octave is the creator making the ultimate extension of itself by, in a sense, trying to create the "perfect snowflake" which is like the perfect crystallization or picture of itself. An attempt, by the nonphysical, to purely materialize itself. Being infinite, there are infinite variations. As Ra said, the creator does not properly create, it merely experiences itself. Infinity cannot become more infinite, and it cannot become less infinite. But it can explore potential expressions, within its own substrate, which contains all potential attributes.

As was discussed in the Ra material, the construction of the archetypes was not created at once. It was like the creator was trying to paint a structure of its own self, but it was not yet a perfect representation. So there may be further refinements on the one original thought. But I think even the archetypes existed, in latent potential, before they were properly known, or articulated. It just took a lot of experience of different consciousness complexes and in various states of limited perspective for them to be exposed in bright contrast. And when they were discovered they were sown in a more tangible way into the spiritual psychology of the racial and cosmic mind. More finishing touches on the creation. There may be more yet to come. But in every octave, the creator is like: what detail could we add to this picture to make each one of these beautiful peacock feathers more distinguished (in the form of experience).

So, in each octave, there is process of infinity attempting to manifest itself as purely, exquisitely, and in as high a definition as possible within the constraints of finity. Of course an infinite being cannot do this finitely 100%, so the process of creation is free to continue forever in an eternal present (as Ra also stated). There are an infinity of finite configurations.

I also don't think that the choice is between "this is all there is" and "turtles all the way down."  All I'm suggesting is that there may be another layer of turtles of which the One is not aware, busy as it is focusing inwards on its own creations.  Beyond that layer - who knows?  But even the existence of that one additional "layer" would recast the entire story into a different perspective.  (Not that it would have any impact on us little sparks!)

Anything is possible I suppose. Thanks for sharing your views, and providing an opportunity for me to share mine.