01-27-2019, 12:25 PM
(This post was last modified: 01-27-2019, 04:53 PM by redchartreuse.)
(01-25-2019, 10:05 PM)Glow Wrote: See that may have been why your soul was not wanting you to have a child.
Well, yes. Except that I would add it's also like a "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" thing. It did not "want" me to have a child, because that would present a severe obstacle to getting me to continue to accept its crazy "plan".
I've found the programming runs very deep, friend. Try to just be with it a while, and look past the little spiritual quips and taglines we have all been taught to respond with when these types of questions come up.
I am supposedly here to learn how to love. But not by having a committed partner and child. No... by taking on the "karma" of strangers I don't know who steadfastly refuse to process it on their own behalf.
And how, exactly, can one process another's "karma"... we cannot learn for others. It is theirs and theirs alone to process. Yes, with a little help from their friends and family, but not where their friends and family are doing their homework for them. Nobody learns like that.
From this vantage point- Everything else is just a scam. A fear-based delay tactic. And a very successful one at that.
Quote:Lots of us here are mopping up Karma.
Mmhmm. Yes, that's what we have been told.
But upon closer examination, we just appear to be running endless loops of somebody else's karma, and thereby depriving them of a true opportunity to process it for themselves. See- if we were really "mopping it up" then the mopping would come to an end. In this case, for every cup of somebody else's karma we mop up, we are simply "rewarded" with a gallon more. We get another "gold star" to put on our crown and a nice pat on the back. Then we are told to "get back out there" since there is so much important work to do. Saving the world and all that.
Who is running this so-called "spiritual" program anyway? Elon Musk? Bezos?

We were sold on this plan to shoulder the karmic burden of others for a relatively short while and then they were supposed to take over the reigns of their own development again. What has actually happened is that, not only has the "mopping up" not occurred, but there is a bigger mess than ever before.
Just look around at the people in your own life. See anybody who has spent the last 30-40 years steadfastly avoiding the learning of the very obvious lesson that is being presented to them over and over again? Anybody who seems to appear very much "stuck" somewhere circa mid-1980's?
So has the plan worked? Has the service intended been rendered? Or has it just resulted in yet another heap of "unintended consequences" and in people being worse off than they were before?
Quote:When you have a child they start carrying out some of the karma you were presented with.
Yes. And when I was a child, I pretty much was immediately made to start shouldering the burden of unprocessed catalyst from my parents. Some many decades later, they each have some core issues that they have basically refused to take even one step toward resolving. The only thing that has changed is that they are now older, and their brains are long past the peak of plasticity that permits human beings to change. Mission failed.
And now- what I have not been able to process falls to my own child...? No, I will not stand for it. And the energy that says NO to that is love.
So then, answer me this riddle. If, in having a child, I have learned to be more loving, more compassionate, and so on... then WHY would this have been so strictly forbidden by the "program"?
Quote:If you want to ease the burden of those who also carry the same karmic burden (wife and child it seems) start healing. By that I mean don't fight the system or god or whom ever you blame for this perceived injustice just go inward find the wounds and heal.
My friend, I do not think you have grasped the gravity of the situation. My wife isn't the first I've met from my group, just the first I've attempted a committed relationship with.
The others... many of them have fallen. Some of them into the sinkhole, others into a false light path. Some of them have died in undignified ways. Some have suffered even worse fates.
We have suffered heavy casualties over here. Perhaps other groups have fared better... I wouldn't really know.
What I do know is that each time one of them falls, some of their "extra helping of suffering" falls upon my shoulders, in addition to whatever I have already taken on personally.
It has now progressed to the point of absurdity where I am finding myself literally picking up feces that is somebody else's responsibility every day. They just sit there and watch, doing nothing. I brought it up one time, and they just denied it was their responsibility.
So now I either clean up after their s***, or smell it wafting in every time I sit down to a meal.
Enough is enough.
Quote:You speak of a shamanic background so you have the tools.
While I appreciate your vote of confidence, what actually happened with that shaman is that he turned out to be shady, and I ended up infected with a so-called "protective spirit" that caused me nothing but additional pain as it threw its own set of "demands" upon me. I finally got free from it after about 7 years, so that was fun.
Really helped me to learn to be more loving, and all that. ;-) I jest.
But actually it did help me... that was one of the big turning points where I was able to connect with something higher that was willing to enjoin me in putting an end to the incessant torture of an innocent human being (little me) in the name of "love and compassion".