2018_1103 - Preincarnative Choices

[redchartreuse]

Well, we disagree, which is fine.  You wondered how the Hatonn quote makes sense in light of the great magnitude of suffering enacted upon the stage of this planet.  I was just trying to say that the view is different where you're camped out as compared to where one resides who is wholly committed to service to the Creator.

Sure, our disagreement is fine.  But such things are mere appearances, anyway.  Right?

To my way of reckoning, you're pitching your tent in a place of conditional service.  ("I seek to serve the Solar or Planetary Logoi to the extent that they seek realignment with the original intention for this Creation.") This is not in the chicken wing sinkhole you colorfully describe, but there is, in my view, an element here of the pendular polarization Q'uo describes where it swings to the selfless, then there is a reaction to the selfish, then there is neutrality, then a swing....  Please correct me if I am off-track here, but, based on long personal experience, I would say that this sort of pattern basically goes in circles.  In that sense I consider it a sinkhole.  But this comparison might only be meaningful to one whose deep heart's desire is to offer self to Divinity, without stint, without reservation.

All service is service to the Creator, or Divinity as you may call it.  Yes, the service is conditional because I am a being defined by conditions.  There are certain gifts I have to give, and certain gifts that I do not have to give.  It is not wise to have the gardener be put to do the electrical work, and the electrician out laying the sewer pipe.

That is how things tend to work here on this planet.  Look around!  This energy is all around us- we are swimming in it.  This... is the sinkhole.  It is the "why bother" because one is continually put in circumstances that severely limit their ability to give their gifts in a way where they are well-received.  And meanwhile those who would gladly and thankfully accept the gift are somehow... almost magically.. not anywhere to be seen and continue to languish in their suffering.

Yes- it is a circular pattern as you say.  But no more nor less than the circular pattern of choosing to suffer, failing to achieve the desired result or learning, and then choosing to suffer even more in hopes that this will provide the answer.

Again, just look around us.  I feel pretty sure you can sense this energy where there are those that are upholding certain "ideals" and a certain "way to do things" even though it has been shown time and again that those philosophies fail to produce the claimed objective of a fundamentally happy society.

No matter how bad it might get, this philosophy simply continues to "double down" and somehow manages to call that "faith".  That we must continually strive to find the "faith to suffer" is the chant of the war drums, to my perspective.

Maybe I am being too presumptive here, but I feel so sure that you know what kind of philosophies and supporting energies I am referring to here, even though we may disagree as to the naming.  Well, as above so below.  What we see here is the physical reflection of... what... process occurring in the spiritual realms?  Something wholesome, healthy, and of benefit to All... or something different?

By the way, as to the harvest of fear and trauma this planet offers to negatively oriented beings, I certainly agree that this is a sad, unfortunate situation.

And- it is not at all necessary in order to achieve the desired result.  From this here perspective- whatever you may wish to label it -it is a sad situation precisely because so many otherwise brilliant souls choose to "go along" with this crazy scheme, and keep agreeing to it and justifying it to each other using various philosophies.  And if one of us ever tries to break free, they may only succeed at great personal cost to themselves, and to the great benefit of beings who feed on the energy of suffering.

It's the reason that the Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow folks have joined in with this mess to make small offerings of love in the face of darkness.  And this requires intense polarization, and that brings one closer to a place where this makes sense: "Learning to love under all possible circumstances is indeed the goal which each of you seeks."

Yes, and "The desire to serve must be distorted towards a great deal of purity of mind and what you may call foolhardiness or bravery, depending upon your distortion complex judgment."

I must admit, my "distortion complex judgement" appears biased to calling it foolhardiness.  But that doesn't mean I don't seek to serve others, or the Creator in a positive fashion.  That doesn't mean I am on a service-to-self path.

Also, even though, personally, cocaine has no effect on me, I get your point about cheap thrills.  But I think I'm referring to something more interesting than that.  Viz.: the experience of intense polarization offers a wanderer in this density a tiny taste of what a more expanded self used to feel like back in the old days, if you will.  And that can give a boost to morale of the highest order, I would aver.

Well I don't know what that feels like in my body.  All I can ever remembering feeling is pain.  And an eternal promise that somehow, this is all very necessary, and will be deemed as having been very worth it, in the end.