Its murder.

[Monica]

my understanding is that, there is no limit to responsibility. anything will be balanced. doesnt revolve even a bit on the 'human law' it doesnt matter how the society consciousness here perceives things.

Human laws are irrelevant. They come and go. Just a century and a half ago, human slavery was legal in the US. I predict that, a century from now, humans will be aghast that the slaughter of animals was once legal. The same for barbaric medical practices.

it may delay things or it may make things go round about. but eventually everything will balance.

even the killing of bedbugs.

Here's a thought: Maybe back when we were bedbugs and biting the children of Ra, we got snuffed out, to protect their children. And now Ra is helping us...


And someday, we will, in turn, help the entities who were once bedbugs!

The situation of infestations can also be looked at another way:

We know from Ra that higher STS entities often utilize lower 2D entities to do their bidding. They can manipulate the 2D entities to accomplish a negative greeting. Thus, if a person is susceptible for some reason, the STS entities can take advantage of that, by using 2D bacteria, viruses, and even cockroaches or mosquitoes.

Lower 2D entities aren't yet sentient so they couldn't have given permission on an individual basis to be used in such a way, but I would think their group soul would have to have given permission on some level.

Thus, if bedbugs, cockroaches, mosquitoes, viruses, bacteria, etc. have agreed to do the bidding of higher STS entities, then it logically follows that they are probably on their way to being STS entities themselves. (In contrast to, say, honeybees who are likely destined to be STO entities.)

Even at the level of bugs, there are 'beneficial' insects and 'bad' insects...the precursors to STO and STS?

Thus, if the bedbugs are biting, that action is an aggressive, inherently STS act. And they have chosen a physical vehicle which doesn't readily lend itself to harmless remove. Ie. you can't just remove bedbugs without killing them, as you can remove a wasp or bee by catching it and setting it free outside. Bedbugs infest the sheets and bedding, so there's simply no way to remove them and all their eggs. Just as there is no way to remove an infection from one's body without killing it.

So, given a choice between letting an obviously STS infestation (bedbugs) who is aggressively attacking a child, and letting the STS population of bugs live, I wouldn't hesitate in removing the infestation, to save the child.

Just as I would not hesitate to use a disinfectant to kill a raging infection in a cat's wound. The infection is threatening the cat's life. When I pour disinfectant over the wound, I am killing bacteria, to save the cat.

If it were possible to not take any life, I would do it. But that is not possible when dealing with lower 2D bacteria, or even bedbugs. Thus, I would have no choice but to kill the critters, to save the cat.

Now, those bedbugs/mosquitoes/viruses/bacteria were all aggressive. They attacked. So maybe their initial action of being aggressive, is being balanced by our action of killing them.

When dealing with the question of balance, it isn't always readily apparent, since one does not always know what the original action was.

cetaceans distinguish in between entities. they are able to distinguish a human from another entity. moreover, they are able to distinguish a human in distress, from a human that is not in distress.

dolphins do not go about rescuing people who are swimming leisurely at sea. but, the cases of dolphins rescuing drowning people are numerous in history.

even humans are not able to perceive such distress in the middle of a city on average.

the whales who are able to attack and eat anything at sea, do not attack humans.

it can be expanded into various other branches of examination. but, these are sufficient indicators to an EQ that even surpasses humans.

Absolutely! Moreover, dolphins are able to distinguish humans in distress without the benefit of sound and probably without the benefit of sight either. Dolphins somehow know when a human is in distress, even though they have not seen nor heard the person's cries for help.

How did they know?

And why do they help, despite knowing that humans have killed and enslaved their brethren?

So they furthermore distinguish between humans as a species, and individual humans, because they apparently know that this individual human who is flailing about, isn't the same human who caught the dolphin's cousin in the tuna net last week.

The dolphin is showing compassion, a sure sign of higher evolution.

in regard to iq, the researches show that the cetaceans are quite capable enough, even to the point of being trained for sinking battleships by attaching the explosives strapped on their backs to the bottom of the ships, leave aside other researches in regard to cognitive capabilities of these entities.

This I find rather disturbing. Why are the dolphins, who are normally peaceful, agreeing to participate in acts of violence? Do they have a choice?

It's also important to note that the only acts of aggression ever attributed to dolphins have been in adverse conditions, as in captivity. Dolphins in captivity behave differently from wild dolphins.

Which is understandable. Humans would do the same. Normally peaceful humans are known to do heinous things in adverse circumstances.

if you put it into context, unfortunately probably 50-6% of the human population would even rank behind cetaceans in regard to iq. (not even mentioning eq). yet, noone is ranking them as 2d entities.

Some % of humans rank lower in intelligence than some dogs.

its just a body. body is dependent on the choice of the logos and the chemicals available within the planet, as Ra tells us. moreover, they say this is a moment's choice by the logos and can change.

That's right. It is presumptuous to judge an entity as being 'merely 2D' just because its body is different from ours. It is solely a human invention that all other species are 'animals' and humans somehow above all else. It is the height of human arrogance, and will be brought to light when ET's make their appearance. What if ET's who are smarter than humans considered humans as 'just animals'?

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of course, i dont mind the entire specie of killer whales getting eradicated from the face of the planet asap, along with other remnants of the past problematic ancient history, like sharks and so on.

And cockroaches! Don't forget cockroaches! I wouldn't mind seeing them eradicated!

Speaking of killer whales, I find them puzzling. They are, presumably, 3D entities also. And yet they KILL...they kill dolphins, and even humans, although that usually happens in captivity.

What do you think of that? Are they 3D entities who have chosen STS? Or are they like humans...some are benevolent, STO...while others of their species are STS?

We wouldn't want ET's judging the entire human race by citing examples of Hitler or Saddam or Cheney, right? So maybe many, if not most, killer whales are STO, but they just have their bad ones too, just like humans.

We tend to think of a species of 'animal' has having certain characteristics...but whales aren't animals...they're 3D entities.

Cockroaches are all basically the same. They're not individuated yet. So a cockroach behaves like every other cockroach, since they are all being controlled by the same group mind.

But a 'killer' whale is acting as an individual. That killer whale might be the equivalent of a serial killer in the human domain. There might be other whales of the same species who are the equivalent of Gandhi.

It just so happens that there are more Gandhi's in the dolphin population, and more Cheney's in the killer whale population, apparently.

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Second density, and those who choose in third density is brutal. Gaia isn't. It's part of the evolutionary process. Gaia provides the elements needed for experience. She can shrug us off, but it would be a considerable assumption to think she does that on a whim. It's more likely to be linked to a cosmic cycle.

Exactly.

I would imagine I have experienced much pain, death, survival and bliss over a multitude of lifetimes. As has everybody. Yet we've incarnated in our specific circumstances for a specific reason. The lessons of survival have been learnt, to a degree. They would have to be if one is a Wanderer. In this lifetime, which just happens to 'coincide' with 2012, many Wanderers are here to offer love and light. That can include the gratitude for the divine spirit in all beings, and all matter.

Well said!

Most of us don't have to deal with survival issues like that. At least not on a daily basis. For us, survival is more about economic survival than being chased by a tiger.

It is simply not realistic or in tune with nature to suggest that Peregrinus would have acted more STO by not killing the bedbugs that were tormenting his daughter. To me that indicates that perhaps we're becoming too removed from actual reality... Too caught up in the cloudy whispy visions we see in our ivory towers.

You have formulated that notion in your imagination, I did not imply that brother. Did you not read my post about choosing to remove a wasps nest? I think you are misinterpreting my opinion.

Agreed!

For the record, NO ONE has implied anything about Peregrinus' action in removing the bedbugs. Saying that any such action might require balance, does not in any way cast judgment upon said action.

I would definitely remove the bedbugs, ie. kill them, to save my child from being bitten. I would also, at the same time, take responsibility for that action. At the very least, by psychically reaching out to them and explaining the reason for my action. Same as I would do with any negative entity whose services I don't want. The only difference here is that their physical vehicle is being removed. That is unfortunate but cannot always be helped.

If it is possible to remove them without killing them, I would do so. But that isn't always possible with infestations.

Peregrinus, I hope it's clear that no one is judging you! Your situation has provided an excellent example for discussing such dilemmas. Thank you for sharing it!

Just to be sure, I will re-iterate my point. Polarisation towards STO includes life in all densities, not just humans.

At least up to 6D, anyway. I had never really thought about polarization occurring below 3D before, but now that I think about it, as I said in my last post, I now conclude that infestations of pests are likely lower 2D entities who are beginning their polarization process to STS. They aren't consciously choosing as individuals yet, but on some level, their group souls are making themselves available to higher STS entities. So that must be part of their polarization process.