09-18-2018, 03:07 PM
(09-18-2018, 10:02 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: Once you recognize the movements of energy that invoke the archetypes, you can see the description of those movements of energy appear everywhere.
There are quite a few that I have found that do explicitly describe and expound upon specific archetypes.
rva_jeremy Wrote:It's important to keep in mind that most of Ra's discussion that we consider pertaining to the archetypal mind uses the vehicle of the tarot, and the tarot may be more relevant to Ra's message than other Confederation sources' simply because of its Venusian pedigree. There may be lots of discussion of the archetypal mind that just doesn't use this easily identified symbology.
Good points. I tend to think of the Ra archetypes in association with tooth-pulling, head-splitting, cyborg-sounding discussions which seldom seem useful. I.e., I was basically conflating the archetypes with the tarot deck. I see very little discussion of the deck in the Q'uo channeling, but, as you point out, there are various passing references to the general concepts. Mea culpa.
Here's J's Q & A referred to in his post.
J and Q Wrote:J: Q’uo, I have one. I have been contemplating the archetypes of catalyst and experience. As I have modeled these in my mind, this is a unified concept of learning, separated solely by the veil—catalyst being this concept before the veil in the subconscious, and experience being this concept in the conscious increment life. Does this capture a sufficient amount of the significance of this concept, or am I missing some subtleties of this that you could comment on? Thank you.
Q’uo: I am Q’uo and we believe we understand your query, my brother. What you say is correct, and in fact, insightful, with regard to the way catalyst and experience function in the veiled condition. That is to say, that the veil does introduce a kind of break between the functioning of catalyst and the functioning of experience that can arise from it. However, it is also true that the archetypes have their distinct being independently of the question of the veiling. This constitutes an interesting subject of investigation. We will attempt to be somewhat brief in our address to it, and invite further queries at some future time.
The catalyst can, in a general sense, be described as that which occurs—that which occurs particularly within the sphere of action and interaction of a mind/body/spirit complex. What occurs, however, as it is received by that mind/body/spirit complex, will be subject to interpretation, and subject to a principle of selection with regard to what merits further focus. This process, as you point out, can be largely unconscious when one is in the veiled condition. The result being that, effectively speaking, there can be a conflation between the concept of catalyst and the concept of experience, for one’s access to the catalyst is always already characterized as one’s experience.
In a condition which is not veiled, the distinctness of those two elements is more on display, and that can have the result that a greater freedom, shall we say, can be shown, in experience making its selection from its catalyst concerning that which will be taken in as significant from that catalyst. This, we believe, gives the beginning of an approach to an answer to your query, my brother.
Does this strike you as rather different from most questions posed in these sessions? It seems almost absurdly abstract to moi. I wonder how hard it would be--and how much would be lost and gained--to cast the dialogue in plain English (instead of ceremonial Ra-sprach)? Might that be refreshingly practical?