(05-27-2018, 06:15 PM)anagogy Wrote: I've had the experience where you feel you're partially separated and it feels like you are controlling your physical apparatus like it is a marionette or something. I actually kind of like it, because you feel like nothing can hurt you are aware it is just your avatar within the illusion. It is difficult to manifest at will though, though it seems to naturally happen during traumatic moments.
Enough repetition (which is what ritual is), will induce dissociation (the feeling of watching yourself: witness/monkey). You just have to make sure the initial offering, or repetition, is 'pure'. Because the dissociated trance state that ensues will be a reflection of the purity of the original ritual. The more repetitions, the more stable the trance. And then there is the secondary trance loop of: when you forget to repeat the ritual, or loop, go back to the loop. This constitutes a second ritual, or loop, that when stabilized makes the subtle state even more sustainable. You start to get a sense of how people get their consciousness trapped in all sorts of impoverished addictions, and mental prisons. Breaking an addictive (destructive) trance is very difficult (and painful) for the person lost in them. You have to remove the fuel (ritual/habit) to destroy the flame (trance state produced by the repetition/ritual).
A more poetic way of saying it: the quality of the flame (the subtle state so produced) is dependent on the quality of the fuel, in a magical sense. So if the initial intent is pure, the flame so produced will be of a high quality. Everybody has access to omniscience, but it is warped due to distortions of insincerity (distortions of ego).
Words are hard.
Hey Anagogy! Thanks for your reply. I admit I was still a bit out/spacey so needed another few days before I understood your post. lol
After effects. Words ARE hard. lol
That is pretty cool about feeling partially separated but being incontrol from the outside.
I think I would like that. I liked both "out" states I have experienced. It's funny how we think the body is so great but being out is pretty great too. I definitely feel safer out, like you said. I've only had the two types fully out(where I felt zero association to the body till I went back) or like this one sorta pushed out(so lacked the in control feeling you had) but experiencing both sides still. lol I at least as my ego was not in control at all .
Perhaps that is a "me" thing just perceiving it different.
Do you think the fasting and prayer was the ritual? After words it clicked to me I was preparing unconsciously for a spiritual event. Purification and prayer. I know the intention was very pure as I even added to the prayer for no reason at all that "the visit be used to our highest good, even if that means we never see each other again" which was super weird considering there was no reason to suspect the end of the friendship nor would I want to have that happen. It felt like surrender and trust, a handing over of will completely, which looking back is the kind of resignation of ego that likely allowed whatever happened to happen.
Sounds kind of like a ritual. In your case you are the puppet master in mine I am the puppet, or kicked out so my puppet can be used by a better puppet master than me. lol
Thanks again. I appreciate you chiming in.
ps going to need more time to understand the secondary trance loop. I am likely still not grounded enough, I understood it then got spacey. I have some time to work in the garden today so I should be fully back later today. lol