12-12-2010, 04:49 AM
(12-11-2010, 09:54 PM)Ali Quadir Wrote:This is approaching absurdity. It's easy to mark something as opinion - you say (in a variety of ways) "this is my opinion". I don't think there necessarily must be problem discerning what would be opinion from what would be (submitted as) fact. Why does something submitted as fact, have to be re-interpreted as opinion? Is there some shortcoming of language that prohibits a qualification of this type? Of course not.(12-11-2010, 02:02 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Forgive this comment if this comes off as being arrogant or dismissive, but honestly what is the point here? Why don't we just have a daydreaming thread where we can discuss what our imagination suggests to us when we look up at cloud shapes? What is the difference between that and what we want to know here? Is this a "stream of unconsciousness" thread?
Clearly there is a different set of expectations going on here about what is required for good communication. And that's all that is... Not everyone has the same expectations.
My reason for being involved in the spiritual, is highly subjective as well. It would be a similar "stream of unconsciousness" thread. So for me personally. While I admit at first sight Ashim's initial comment that caused the commotion also caused commotion for me until I figured out he was speaking from that same "truth" that is reason for me to be here. So I am also interested in hearing other peoples subjective truths. Even if they are merely feelings and associations. You know, if people have a certain feeling this has meaning to me. Meaning that guides me to my version of "truth"... It does not even have to be the same "truth", but it's valuable since it helps me see different perspectives.
Maybe it's better to mark this as opinions rather than truths since truth implies objectivity to so many. I tripped in the same way. But us listeners also have a responsibility in the communication process.
I've also "resonated" with what others have held "true" without any supporting knowledge. But then, if I subsequently wanted to learn something and asked why it was considered "true", I would not condemn their point of view as "wrong"!
I might, however, ask why? (OMG, questioning is happening. That is a human rights violation! That means you think they are wrong...)
And If I ask "why is this so", is that also wrong to ask? Is such a request actually so intrusive and rude?
Heaven forbid, there might actually be some form of rationality withheld, behind their opinion, that they might be able to also share?