We see what we want to see

[zenmaster]

Hear hear... Very important to realize for every one of us operating on the fringes of human culture and beliefs.

I think it's important to simply understand what to relate or what action to take when we are being pressed for info that is not part of our world-view.

I'm certain that it's (at least) possible to always be aware of the current limit of our own knowledge (weltanschauung). If one is capable of accepting oneself, it does not call upon much honesty at all. It does oneself and others a disservice to make personally unsupportable claims. How is it possible to really learn in such an environment?

I do agree. And I hear the message between the lines. But like to add that learning at a deep level of self, not just the facts from the science teacher requires an environment of safety. Where in people are allowed to state their truth, their reality. Without having the book of fallacies pulled out on them.

Part of knowing truth is feeling what clicks deep within. Making the logical connection, the rational steps to the knowledge is something that comes next. And sometimes that's something we have to help each other with.

Or you end up with a bunch of ego's who just want to be right all the time.

But that's a lesson here - the "truth" is that you can't be "right", or to put it another way, "everyone is right". Once that is learned, whatever the consequences of ignorance might be vanish into irrelevancy. Also, being truly "right" has nothing to do with learning here - sharing what one has uniquely and actually come to know does.

You *can* know the limits of your knowledge. And you can explain from your own perspective on the matter. Somehow people "become lost" and never "catch up" to what the intuition suggests. They even know deep down that learning from where their intuition leads holds great promise. However, compelled to always over-extend, there is no service provided.

What is the virtue in making something safe? After a certain point, you become an adult, somewhat individuated, and don't require such hand holding. (Excluding of course such things as damage recovery related to therapy.) What's with the coddling and over indulgence?

With regards to "ego": we are all subject to its defenses, in different situations. However, who's ego is really more jeopardized or more fragile in this case? Remember there are those that need protection from only themselves (taking ownership of their apprehensions) in order to be in a position to simply ask an honest question (and of an impersonal nature). I ask, not rhetorically, how can such behavior not be considered "pathological", for example?