Logos completion and individuality

[Minyatur]

It is a bit nihilistic to think of our lives, our personalities, what we care about, etc. as important only insofar as it advances the Creator's understanding of itself. I, too, struggle with the fact that most of my life has no inherent import but is simply instrumental towards ends I can barely fathom. There is certainly a built-in tension between the waking ego 3d personality and the more totalizing self, the Creator whom those of the Confederation see us as. It's tough to think that who we are in this world is not really who we are; that's the flip side to your characterization of soul evolution as annihilation in nirvana, since you can't lose something that isn't real in the first place.

You'd rather and find less nihilistic that it was a paradox and absent of existence?

It's a paradox, so it is uniquely unsatisfying to the third density intellect. From either your vantage point or mine, it's still unfathomable and cannot be resolved, and therefore it will constitute a tension in one's experience.

Well understanding is the paradox somewhat, truth is not understanding of truth but itself. I think the end of all paradoxes lie in letting go, which I guess is the initial aspect that was disliked in the thread in regard to completion.

Also, I don't think the third density intellect cannot grasp it, I think it just needs to do so in silence and sincere openness to what it is. So the 3D being has all tools to connect to truth, and that's why we see countless use dual-thoughts to voice the wordless in an attempt to paint it.

I don't think our lives are important only insofar they advance the Creator's understanding of itself. Your life simply reflects your own will and in this you gain understanding of yourself (Creator). The Creator only knows itself through experiencing its own will, so what you're saying is like that you find nihilistic that the only gain you find in experiencing your will is to realize yourself through doing so.

I find it a bit nihilistic that we inhabit ego personalities that are impossible to satisfy. They're often all we know, and the spiritual paths largely encourage their renunciation and abnegation. This is all to underline that the point of spiritual evolution is not a person's happiness.  The ego seems designed to facilitate a drama of attachment. It's nihilistic to me to declare that the self most of us know ourselves as is merely an instrument and that its satisfaction, its enjoyment is not paramount. I'm not saying there's no happiness or enjoyment in third density; only that there often is not and this seems to be a big element of its essential character.

I think the only point in which the Creator finds satisfaction is in completion, so this impossible to satisfy is not as much of 3D as it is what drives infinity whole.

You could've just been a void, but love and intelligence implied to seek more.

All of that is to interpret the consequences of the thesis for which you're advocating: that we are instruments of the Creator by which It better knows Itself.  It just does seem like the negative spectrum constitutes a lot of the field research the Creator is engaged in in third density, wouldn't you say?  If we were only limited, separate personality egos, the harshness of life might lead one to conclude that there's no essential meaning. I'm suggesting the opposite conclusion: that it is only in an expanded sense of identity that the ego, one's own waking personality, can be appreciated as a tool for learning lessons. From the ego's point of view, it seems awful cruel and arbitrary, and that is sort of a common tenet of most nihilist's outlooks.

I think things get awful and arbitrary based on how deeply you contain polarized contradictions. I think if everyone had all their thought and associated power of emotion mapped in time, they'd see events of their life as making a whole lot more sense under this analysis. But who will remember how deeply they cursed themselves and wished themselves misery when it comes? Who will remember that they deeply desired to become something when catalyst come to help to transform what blocks them from it?

But I get your point that no 3D being is just a single lifetime's being because they were born from get go as already more than that. Can be hard to face and accept what we contain as also the self.

I think the entire concept of having 3D veiled is to offer an extension of free will to our 3D personalities. Here and now in this world, the cosmology is extremely personal to your waking 3D personality more than would be the default of this density without the usage of a veil, because your 3D waking personality would be stuck to be confronted by the awareness of in what it is rooted in and everything you are would be much more blended together at all times disallowing a more personal expression from moments to moments. This is even the usefulness of wandering and advancing your higher density progression, there's many aspects of yourself that are held quiet by your too great awareness of unity and the Universe, just as merely all the aspects of yourself being known, and these aspects are so much denied their expression when blended that you have to go into a 3D veiled experience to gain a strong enough focus on them that they even find actual expression and resolve.

Totally agree, and I think you put it rather well. The veil has utility in what it produces in the total entity. That doesn't mean the portion that is incarnate can appreciate it on its own terms. This is what I mean by instrumentality: perhaps the third density ego is a kind of epiphenomenon of spiritual evolution, a construct that arises at a certain level of awareness to teach lessons. What this means to me is that this plan owes no allegiance to the third density ego, which will be the instrument through which the entity may suffer and despair greatly.

How do you define the ego, the potential to be a sense of identity or the one it has been?

To put it succinctly: the ego is a means to an end, not an end in itself.

What I find very amusing here is how it totally contrasts my own seeking and experiences. I found within myself the ego to be so very deeply cherished, and I also found that each step of the path is the sole actual end.

Completion is little more than all steps finding harmony together to be each their own thing, in this the Universe is equally a mean to that you have your moment of now, as that your moment of now is a mean to its ending. They're one beingness.

I don't think there's any single thing in your life that was not what you are. Maybe it was not the whole of yourself in every single way you can be shaped through all potentials of living, obviously, but it clearly partially was what you are whole into a finite focus.

Right there with you. I think we're taking two different perspectives on the same thing. The point is that the third density self, the self that is attuned to the illusion, is transient to the extent it is invested in its own separateness from others.  That self demands to be defended against, and held apart from, anything that threatens it as the primary focus of attention. So to lose this, to sacrifice it, is not to sacrifice anything of value, as Ra said, but instead to manifest an understanding that expanding one's identity need not incur any loss of identity except insofar as one is entangled in worldly attachments of various kinds.

The thing here is that loss is the ability to be open to more, and it needs to be self driven. It's liberating your potential, why forever remain traumas of particular events? Seems natural that lessons drive you to realize you are not just that.

I think the main issue across everything written, is more like the innate 3D personality's lack of sincerity with itself. Or perhaps the harshness of attaining it.