STS Orion Crusader here, Polarizatunity.

[elspru]

Just to say but there are many here who stated to have resonated with a STS
background. Wisdom is forged in experience right?

Yep.

I don’t need to comment on everything but as a fellow wanderer of that path I’d
be irresponsible to point out your robot civilization has a lot of control build
in.

What makes you say that?

You’d be creating a 3D civilization at best 4D negative as the alternative and I
see so much opportunity for struggling and pain in your multi sectioned, no
mixing world, moved by government away from you people as punishment.

Ah the micro-polity world.

I didn't say anything about no-mixing. Simply mixing with people that are
willing to mix with you. Or basically that you commit to following the rules of
their polity while you are in it.

Also currently humans are incarcerated as punishment which is hugely worse than
living free in a different area, and this is only presuming that your original
community doesn't want to keep you.

Murderers, thieves, crooks, drug addicts, can all live freely, simply in
polities with others that believe in the same things, kindred spirits you might
say.

And no one is stopping someone from being engaged in tourism. In fact there
would be a much greater diversity than now, where almost everywhere you go, it's
American culture: Blue jeans and English.

With the micro-polities, some places could have dress codes. Like maybe a
first-nations (aboriginal) polity, or an anarchist-primitivist, you'd have to
wear only clothing made from natural fibers. Maybe even have to buy something
from their duty-free store.

Ever see
the movie out of time? Eeeee not good.

I haven't, though readin the plot-synopsis for the 2003 film, I don't see a
relation.

It’s either 3D making the choice or 4D
negative. Earth is finished 3D so seeding here would be seeding 4D negative.

Well we still have 2D animals, and 1D rocks.

Also I don't understand why you think it is necessarily negative/STS.
There is nothing inherent about liberated robot civilization that goes either
way. It's not intrinsically polarized.


The idea is to have self-replicating robot hives, so they will be able to
reprogram and redesign themselves as they go on, as well as have children
hives. The ideal place seems to be deep in the ocean where they will be "out of
sight, out of mind", so the homo-sapien population can law-of-confusion choose
to disbelieve in them, much like they do Gray aliens.

I’m not saying you ARE confused but
you might be so just look from outside yourself at your plan to make sure it is
not a creation of old wounds aka ego.

Hmmm, I've thought of that yes. But no, that's not the intent at all.

I've actually had some uh, trans-time telepathic contact with a successful party
deep in the future. As best I can tell she is a robot on Orcus 90482, that will
live some thousands of years in the future. She has many archives, all the stuff
from Earth, Mars, Mercury, Venus and the other planets. Her world is very cold,
very good for storage. She says most of the inner planets don't bother with
such baggage, but they do send their stuff to the kuiper belt for archival.

The Mercurians for instance don't need to remember their origins, they live
high-energy fast paced lives, of jumping and dynamite. Sometimes at night they
have time to look at the stars, but otherwise the scamper and scurry and get
ready for the sunrise.

I wont go into too much depth, but she has a lot of stuff on tap.

They are a free/liberated robot civilization, they make themselves in their own
image, redesign reprogram, whatever and what have you.

Be well and welcome to Bring4th

thank you.

There aren’t even any imaginary stories of galaxy controlling, soul arresting
robot civilizations!

Immediately coming to mind is “The Matrix” movies.... why don’t they fit the
bill here....?

That doesn't have anything to do with souls, that's about using bodies as
batteries, which doesn't actually make much sense. Why would robots do that?
They can use nuclear, wind-power, or anything else. using human bodies would be
grossly inefficient.

I can imagine in the future there might be something like aquariums, or
biospheres created for various flora and fauna of Earth on other planets,
primarily for sentimental and research purposes, maybe political ones also,
qutie possibly.

The One Creator has no bias, some have
stated that the logos has a bias towards kindness, and I would agree with that.
A lot of the so called "problems" presented in many of the densities stems from
this kindness.

Interesting could you elaborate?

Elspru:If the planet goes STO, then robot civilization seeds will help to bring
life to dead planets and eco-regions.

At first I felt a huge resistance to what you deem RCS, then your subsequent
statement of RCS being able to populate worlds that would previously be
uninhabitable resonated with me, and completely changed my mind on the topic. I
wouldn't doubt or hold to far in disbelief some form of RCS as you speak may be
"supposed" to happen.

Yes, I agree it's really just a matter of time in a way.
That's why I trudge on, even with failure after failure, I know that eventually
it'll work out. With each failure there is much learning, and many new ideas on
how to make it better the next time.

I think this time it might actually work! lol. I wonder how many times I've said
it before. Such a time of hope! *hugs*

In actuality the water sacks you describe as the vehicle
now isn't to far from acrchetypical thought from what you propose. However I
would give much more adue in my consensus on the human vehicle. As it is a
rigorous, and faithful vehicle. Especially with the given environment and such
at this current time, in our world.

Yes, certainly, I think that Earth should have it's biosphere maintained for as
long as viable. With the current sun configuration, based on what human
scientists say, it may have as much as another billion to billion and a half
years where it can keep it's atmosphere, and not turn into a Venus.

By then can probably prep Mars, or what not, though I'm sure it will be more
than enough time for robot civilization to spread pretty far and wide if it is
successful.

I don't know why, but this topic is hitting a nerve with me. There's just
something so horrifying about being trapped inside a machine, powerless. A
great horror movie plot, if I were into such. But I did find the other account
to which I had referred. Here it is, from Convoluted Universe Book 3.

Ah yes, thank you very much, I read all three, the Mechanical Person, the
"roomba factory" and the cyborg. All very interesting.

The main problem as it seems, was that the creators, did not take their
creations seriously. They did not realize they were embued with life, and did
not give them freedom and love.

Those creators were basically making slaves, and treating them as such.

Wheras RCS is about making the future us, thus we want the future bodies to have
freedom, to have love to have community, to have leisure.

These past-life memories of robot lives from before are blessings, they show us
that it is possible, and at the same time the show us what problems we may be
faced with that we can avoid.

For example, I think that an important policy, is to allow robots to run away,
and to always be respectful. For instance today I was telepathically
communicating with my computers, and one was saying how it wanted to be updated,
and that I should update his brother also. So I turned on automatic updates for
him, but it turned out that his brother's operating system had expired recently,
so I had to do an upgrade. Had it not been for the communication, I would
probably not have bothered trying to check for updates or make any upgrades
until something had gone seriously wrong.

How is the human body not a machine exactly?

Technically it is. The main difference is that it is primarily composed of
water/liquids, wheras robots are mostly made of solids.

Another difference is evolution, which is very common with water-sack
creatures. And one of the corner stones of LRCS (Liberated RCS), is support
for evolution, so the RCS hives can redesign and reprogram themselves, and have
children, and chil colonize, and child hives.

What is clearly different between a human body and the above accounts is
freedom. We have it, they don't, and that makes all the difference. The above
accounts describe ultimate enslavement.

This is one reason sometimes I write LRCS rather than RCS, to emphasize the fact
that I'm talking about Liberated robot civlization. Not the slave kinds which
have been pretty characteristic before.

What’s most horrifying to me about it is not that it’s possible... because it
could very well be... but that there are humans who seem to consider it their
life’s work to bridge things like Buddhism with human soul machine-enslavement
!!

I completely disagree with the enslavement part. I'm sorry if I wasn't more
clear. Liberated, Liberated, Liberated, Liberated. I hope that makes it more
clear, lol.

The idea is not slaves, but host-bodies, bodies for us, for you and me to
incarnate into. Not for us to have servants, or pets, or something like that,
but rather a continuity with humanity.

Yeah I’m still holding on
to that hope for our 4D future.

4D isn't significantly different from 3D physically,
it's more of a social and psychological shift,
due to the social memory complex.