(01-08-2018, 05:50 PM)Billz Wrote: Sorry Elros, but I must disagree. I did not read anywhere that the Creator was not omniscient and therefore cannot accept your shifting focus as anything more than mirrors to misdirect the point. I will agree that the Creator enjoys the knowing of itself through out experiences, like a father enjoys the successes of their children. But I believe that it was implied in the text that the Creator was omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent; i.e. Infinite Energy and Infinite Intelligence.
Let me re-state my question another way; if God is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent, and we are part of Him through Unity, then the veil is what prevents us from enjoying our united omniscience. But that still doesn't explain the why.
Again, I mean no disrespect and am not trying to "pick a fight," but rather refine a point that has been like a stone in my shoe.
I think the misunderstanding lies with the usage of the word Creator. Do you mean our Logos or Intelligent Infinity?
I think the Logos is much like us, a finite-infinite portion of Intelligent Infinity with its own explorations and choices. But Intelligent Infinity is what sees Infinity in all its beginnings and endings none without the other, it contains our Logos from without the thought of its internal time/space manifestation.
The Ra material states that the first thing known is infinity, and so infinity is never without us and instead always with the thought of us. There is an intelligent cause and effect of a creative focus which leads to our intelligent manifestation as selves.
About that what is yielded from the veil should be known without it, this quote indicates that those creating the experiments are not aware of the results they will yield :
Quote:83.16 Questioner: What techniques and methods of penetration of the veil were planned and are there any others that have occurred other than those planned?
Ra: I am Ra. There were none planned by the first great experiment. As all experiments, this rested upon the nakedness of hypothesis. The outcome was unknown. It was discovered, experientially and empirically, that there were as many ways to penetrate the veil as the imagination of mind/body/spirit complexes could provide. The desire of mind/body/spirit complexes to know that which was unknown drew to them the dreaming and the gradual opening to the seeker of all of the balancing mechanisms leading to adepthood and communication with teach/learners which could pierce this veil.
The various unmanifested activities of the self were found to be productive in some degree of penetration of the veil. In general, we may say that by far the most vivid and even extravagant opportunities for the piercing of the veil are a result of the interaction of polarized
This one, pre-veil, hints the same :
Quote:77.20 Questioner: In other words you are saying that originally the Logoi that did not choose this free will path did not choose it simply because they had not conceived of it and later Logoi, extending the first distortion farther down through their evolution, experienced it as an outcropping or growth from that extension of the first distortion. Am I correct in saying that?
Ra: I am Ra. Yes.
This one restates the same :
Quote: 78.8 Questioner: OK. Thank you. I am going to go back to an earlier time, if you could call it that, in the evolution to try to establish a very fundamental base for some of the concepts that seem to be the foundation of everything that we experience here so that we can more fully examine the basis of our evolution.
I am guessing that in our Milky Way Galaxy (that is, the major galaxy with billions of stars that we find ourselves in) that the progress of evolution was from the center outward toward the rim and that in the early evolution of this galaxy the first distortion was not extended down past the sub-Logos simply because it was not thought of or not conceived and that this extension of the first distortion, which created the polarization that we experience, was something that occurred at what we would call a later time, or as the evolution progressed outward from the center of the galaxy. Am I in any way correct with this statement?
Ra: I am Ra. You are correct
If you want to know why the veiling process is desirable, then I think this bit answers that :
Quote:Those Logoi whose creations have been set up without free will have not, in the feeling of those Logoi, given the Creator the quality and variety of experience of Itself as have those Logoi which have incorporated free will as paramount. Thusly you find those Logoi moving through the timeless states at what you would see as a later space/time to choose the free will character when elucidating the foundations of each Logos.
About the fighting thing, no worry on that with me
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