12-18-2017, 12:01 PM
I am in agreement with Nau7ik. I will add:
While labels may empower some people by identifying with a group—and that's a valid choice—labels ultimately separate, and more than that, labels "imprison." By that I mean in labeling self, you have now imposed a belief, a set of identifiers that may have more to do with societal and cultural parameters than the core self. Labeling removes the idea of infinite possibilities and expression of self by attaching an ID and the belief system that accompanies it. Beliefs (labels) close doors, and bar the free flow of expression.
I think this has to do with human drama. I can only speak for myself, but at some point I feel the black hole event horizon where the gravity of human drama is pulling me into nothingness. I am not immune, and I endeavor to stay vigilant about keeping my focus on the bigger picture—to stay detached as much as possible from human drama, which is about choice. The amount of human drama in this world today has gone off the charts for a variety of reasons, but it mostly boils down to our tech society and overwhelming media.
The movement, for me, must be with self only. As Gandhi said, Be the change you want to see in the world. By this I don't mean to say we shouldn't talk about it here at B4. But I do think there are two different paths that might be explored (and I will make this extreme so as to be clear in communicating the difference): one is unearthing the problem, blaming, finding a guilty parties, and making the guilty parties acknowledge and apologize to bring about retribution and "balance"; and the other is to bypass all that and go straight to how to make this a better world. The latter is one of unconditional acceptance, and relieves the guilt of mistakes and lack of awareness. It bypasses the need for a defense, justification, and victim/perpetrators. It encourages teamwork, inclusion, and a common goal, whereas the victim/perpetrator scenario separates (like all labels do).
This path of bypassing the problem and going right to the solution (as I see it) is not for everyone. But I have found in my life the minute I let go of focusing on the problem and begin to focus on moving forward with a positive solution, one that does not include retribution, I can feel the tethers of my feelings of injustice—which had been holding me in place—loosen and fall away.
While labels may empower some people by identifying with a group—and that's a valid choice—labels ultimately separate, and more than that, labels "imprison." By that I mean in labeling self, you have now imposed a belief, a set of identifiers that may have more to do with societal and cultural parameters than the core self. Labeling removes the idea of infinite possibilities and expression of self by attaching an ID and the belief system that accompanies it. Beliefs (labels) close doors, and bar the free flow of expression.
(12-18-2017, 04:55 AM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: I like how this thread has a bunch of likes and no replies while arguing continues on the other thread.
I think this has to do with human drama. I can only speak for myself, but at some point I feel the black hole event horizon where the gravity of human drama is pulling me into nothingness. I am not immune, and I endeavor to stay vigilant about keeping my focus on the bigger picture—to stay detached as much as possible from human drama, which is about choice. The amount of human drama in this world today has gone off the charts for a variety of reasons, but it mostly boils down to our tech society and overwhelming media.
(12-18-2017, 04:55 AM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: Would anyone care to expand with ideas of how we can make movements to achieve this equality? Give this thread a chance to provide us a framework towards discovering a road of healing and transformation that all of us can share as equals?
The movement, for me, must be with self only. As Gandhi said, Be the change you want to see in the world. By this I don't mean to say we shouldn't talk about it here at B4. But I do think there are two different paths that might be explored (and I will make this extreme so as to be clear in communicating the difference): one is unearthing the problem, blaming, finding a guilty parties, and making the guilty parties acknowledge and apologize to bring about retribution and "balance"; and the other is to bypass all that and go straight to how to make this a better world. The latter is one of unconditional acceptance, and relieves the guilt of mistakes and lack of awareness. It bypasses the need for a defense, justification, and victim/perpetrators. It encourages teamwork, inclusion, and a common goal, whereas the victim/perpetrator scenario separates (like all labels do).
This path of bypassing the problem and going right to the solution (as I see it) is not for everyone. But I have found in my life the minute I let go of focusing on the problem and begin to focus on moving forward with a positive solution, one that does not include retribution, I can feel the tethers of my feelings of injustice—which had been holding me in place—loosen and fall away.