12-13-2017, 02:22 PM
I am sorry you feel unwelcome, Joseph. I do not reject you, or your attempts at empathy. But is it possible for you to understand the unwelcoming attitude that a self-proclaimed misogynist creates for other women who post here? Or how welcoming this OP was towards women who post here, or any woman who has been abused for that matter? I am trying my sincerest to not create double standards, but when you tell me that I shouldn't engage in a topic of conversation because it makes you feel unwelcome - well, I feel like we could go in circles endlessly with that one. How about we continue to try our best to share with each other in open honesty, and not turn our offense at each other's words into offense with each other? I don't blame you for your misunderstandings about society in general, we have all been brainwashed to different degrees, but when they are pointed out to you, you tend to just recoil and say that you don't know and it's not worth the energy to discern.
You were actually the first one to set the standard to use TV shows as an example for how society portrays gender imbalance. And there is a very clear imbalance. Fictional media is very influenced to portraying genders in a specific way, with one gender being dominant and the other merely playing foil. The point, yes, is to be aware, and ideally, avoid. The things we get pleasure from are what we tend to recreate in our reality. It seems to me that you are unaware to how imbalanced females are portrayed in media. The Ferengi is one OBVIOUS example, yet still you find a way to defend their menial advances towards female equality. There is absolutely nothing like the Ferengi in popular culture that portrays the opposite extreme of a toxic matriarchy - because frankly, I don't know if any of us know what that would look like. There is the TNG episode where they meet the planet where women are rulers, but it's actually very shallow because it's merely a mirror of the patriarchy, where women are the physically stronger sex and men are physically smaller and emotional - which again continues to perpetuate gender stereotypes which hurt our culture at large.
Quote:No show is devoid of those stereotypes completely I think, so to argue media influence one way or another is beside the point to me because unless we go censor every show with something bad to portray, what's the use beyond admitting that some shows portray things certain ways for whatever reason? To avoid them? To be aware?
You were actually the first one to set the standard to use TV shows as an example for how society portrays gender imbalance. And there is a very clear imbalance. Fictional media is very influenced to portraying genders in a specific way, with one gender being dominant and the other merely playing foil. The point, yes, is to be aware, and ideally, avoid. The things we get pleasure from are what we tend to recreate in our reality. It seems to me that you are unaware to how imbalanced females are portrayed in media. The Ferengi is one OBVIOUS example, yet still you find a way to defend their menial advances towards female equality. There is absolutely nothing like the Ferengi in popular culture that portrays the opposite extreme of a toxic matriarchy - because frankly, I don't know if any of us know what that would look like. There is the TNG episode where they meet the planet where women are rulers, but it's actually very shallow because it's merely a mirror of the patriarchy, where women are the physically stronger sex and men are physically smaller and emotional - which again continues to perpetuate gender stereotypes which hurt our culture at large.