12-12-2017, 03:53 PM
Thanks for your comprehensive, thought-provoking, and beautiful response to my question about The Source of Imperfection.
You capture the ever-present Paradox in a deft and unique way.
Thanks!
You capture the ever-present Paradox in a deft and unique way.
Thanks!
(12-11-2017, 08:33 PM)Elros Wrote: Great thread, great thread. Had been a while I haven't felt pumped by a thread haha.
I inverted your questions because of the fashion in which my answer for each seemed to incorporate an idea that replied to the following question. Your 3rd question pretty much touches the root of free will, while the second is partially answered by the third and the 1st question was an application of the second and what it entails as finite other-selves in perception of one another.
(12-10-2017, 05:30 PM)Zachariah Wrote: 3) The Source of Imperfection
Like many of you, I’ve been blessed to have been in densities of Unity. No words could ever express this perfection. It’s within this context that I’ve long searched - and haven’t found - an explanation of the origins of imperfection. The most common is that the Creator was lonely, so separation was created. I don’t believe this is possible with Unity. Most spiritual material that I’ve read, including Ra, is limited to our journey within the construct(s), but doesn’t address this most fundamental question. Does anyone have hypothesis or knowledge to share?
Actually this might have been, somewhat, what I felt the strongest calling to contemplate. The root of duality, of light, of manifestation and such. Why everything is? Why is it not a void? What is fullness of infinity? How is infinity held together? How is infinity in relation to itself? etc.
One thing that needs to be understood, obviously I speak of my own seeking, is that there is no without. In a total and pure absence of everything (void state), there is only everything to find or touch, as there is no relative notion to reach any single finite concept. The Creator as void realizes it's non-emptiness by perceiving the drive born from the circle of it, which enables to see all potentials from exactly each of them (each their own circle). Nothing/everything are the poles of infinity, polarity is merely a focused exploration in their image and in a play of limited perception of these poles, of infinite absence and infinite presence made a play of finite absence and finite presence. Any finite experience incorporates a simple play of perceiving portions of infinity as without other portions of infinity, but this does not make any part of infinity without the rest of infinity, merely creates a play of perception. If I had to dualize the Source I'd say it is both absolute awareness and absolute unawareness, in which, both the absolute awareness that is aware of all of awareness is also what is unaware as both the finite and the infinite unawareness, and that absolute unawareness is also what is is finds to become aware of all that there is to be aware of. So there's no unawareness, there is only awareness, except awareness may infinitely not see itself and if it does then it touches infinity whole to see all plays, each moment, each situation, each feeling, etc, calls in its own beingness to manifest as light born of love. Everything that is is this intertwining of finite-infinite-awareness and finite-infinite-unawareness, finite-infinite-presence and finite-infinite absence.
So there is no imperfection; there is the mirror of One Will, One Love, One Being, One Awareness, all this in all potentials to be aware and unaware of Itself.
So why was it created? It wasn't created. It is.
(12-10-2017, 05:30 PM)Zachariah Wrote: 2) Free Will
Throughout the Ra Material, there is reference to the preservation of Free Will. Prior to reading Ra, I was troubled by the use of the word ‘Free’. The Ra material did not diminish this. Considering the amount of manipulation and not-so-subtle influence exerted on souls, it’s less than appropropriate to consider Will as Free. I have never encountered a soul that wanted to succumb to fear. Nor have I encountered a soul that wanted an arrested state of development. So I consider Will to be more of a challenge or test, and something far from ‘Free’. What is your belief on the degree to which Free Will is Free?
Free will is free merely because it originates from yourself. You don't have the free will to not be what you are but you have the free will to be what you are or misperceive yourself as what you are not. A bit like mentioned above, everything is even in their absence and in this there's a pull, a drive which orchestrates the dance of it coming into manifestation through the entanglement it has with all other things. Nothing exists of it's own, nothing does not exist, everything inter-allows everything in unity.
Free will in 3D is free will to be your distortions, without the veiling process you would be unable to will to retain certain distortions or beliefs because of their apparent paradox and your inherent awareness of what you are in relation to what all things are. Free will allows hurt to be what it is, love having been hurt, and to resolve itself as its own thing, to make choices from how it feels.
Free will is multi-layered and in its circle always come to see itself.
(12-10-2017, 05:30 PM)Zachariah Wrote: 1) Logos Accountability
There are many aspects of this construct that are incompatible with my beliefs. First, and most fundamental, is the objective to create greater polarization for a more efficient progress of souls. This greater polarization has led to an epic amount of suffering. In no circumstance do I believe that suffering should be required. As Ra said, there are many Logos and many methods. Ra also mentioned the iterative approach, suggesting a journey of imperfection even with the Logos. Do you believe suffering is acceptable?
The Logos, from the basis of the experiences that has made it up, answers the calling of free will to provide the right nexus of manifestation for the portions of the Source which call to be and are in resonance with its own path. To you it may seem like not there, but to It it is there just as you are.
In term of accountability, what you need to understand is foremost that there is no more or less in infinity, and so suffering is an infinite intelligent principle with both its own infinite presence and absence. Suffering is to the extent it is willed to be taken upon oneself and this is what the Logos has accountability for, it will feel with its creation as it offered itself to birth what called to be housed.
what I real that most resonated unity might be this if you want to give it a reading :
The Key To Above and Below Wrote:...
Each consciousness in the cycle it exists in
follows its own path to the ultimate goal.
Each plays its part in the Plan of the Cosmos.
Each plays its part in the ultimate end.
The farther the cycle, the greater its
knowledge and ability to blend the Law of the whole.
Know ye, that ye in the cycles below us
are working the minor parts of the Law,
while we of the cycle that extends to Infinity
take of the striving and build greater Law.
Each has his own part to play in the cycles.
Each has his work to complete in his way.
The cycle below thee is yet not below thee
but only formed for a need that exists.
...