12-11-2017, 01:15 AM
(This post was last modified: 12-11-2017, 01:40 AM by APeacefulWarrior.)
(12-10-2017, 05:30 PM)Zachariah Wrote: 1) Logos Accountability
There are many aspects of this construct that are incompatible with my beliefs. First, and most fundamental, is the objective to create greater polarization for a more efficient progress of souls. This greater polarization has led to an epic amount of suffering. In no circumstance do I believe that suffering should be required. As Ra said, there are many Logos and many methods. Ra also mentioned the iterative approach, suggesting a journey of imperfection even with the Logos. Do you believe suffering is acceptable?
The Tl;DR is that it's more of a sliding scale where greater levels of disharmony/suffering lead to more catalyst and teaching/learning opportunities. The more conflict is present in a system, the faster it can grow and evolve.
Ra addressed this most directly in 77.17. There have been experiments in creating entities without free will, who were "hard coded" so to speak to be permanently positive. And all that happened is that they spent an incredibly long time floating around in 4D without DOING anything or adding to the Creator's overall experiences.
And while apparently little is concretely known about the Creator's overall motivations (see below), it does seem to be generally agreed that the Creator desires interesting or novel experiences. Having those without some degree of suffering -defined as the absence of perfect harmony- is virtually impossible.
We just happen to live in a place where a rather large amount of suffering is permitted, compared to the usual, because that also allows for much greater diversity of experience.
Quote:2) Free Will
Throughout the Ra Material, there is reference to the preservation of Free Will. Prior to reading Ra, I was troubled by the use of the word ‘Free’. The Ra material did not diminish this. Considering the amount of manipulation and not-so-subtle influence exerted on souls, it’s less than appropropriate to consider Will as Free. I have never encountered a soul that wanted to succumb to fear. Nor have I encountered a soul that wanted an arrested state of development. So I consider Will to be more of a challenge or test, and something far from ‘Free’. What is your belief on the degree to which Free Will is Free?
Manipulation or coercion does not make your will any less free. There are choices, and there are consequences. That's it. Blaming manipulation for one's choices is simply avoiding responsibility for one's own actions. While there may be extreme circumstances in 3D life where one's will may be broken involuntarily -such as through forced intoxication with substances like GHB, or through extreme torture- in most everyday circumstances free will is unfettered. If one allows themselves to be swayed by manipulation, that too is merely another act of free will.
It's like the old Jack Benny gag, where a mugger sticks a knife in his back and repeatedly demands, "Your money or your life!" until Benny responds with "Hold on, I'm thinking it over!" This is actually a perfect illustration of self-aware free will in action.
Quote:3) The Source of Imperfection
Like many of you, I’ve been blessed to have been in densities of Unity. No words could ever express this perfection. It’s within this context that I’ve long searched - and haven’t found - an explanation of the origins of imperfection. The most common is that the Creator was lonely, so separation was created. I don’t believe this is possible with Unity. Most spiritual material that I’ve read, including Ra, is limited to our journey within the construct(s), but doesn’t address this most fundamental question. Does anyone have hypothesis or knowledge to share?
To my knowledge, no channelled source has delved too deeply into the origins of the Creator's own free will or why, exactly, the Creator decided to embark on this grand experiment in separation and distortion. My own personal hot take, so to speak, is that it arose from questions such as "Who am I? Is this all that there is? Can I change? Can I become more than what I am now?"
Because the truth is, I tend to suspect that the Creator is NOT alone. Or at least potentially not-alone. There are a handful of times Ra speaks very cryptically about beings he refers to as the "light bringers" who come from "the Octave above." He makes it quite clear he doesn't know much about them either, but apparently there is more beyond our own Creator/Creation. Or at least what we currently think of as our Creator/Creation. It may even be that our Creator is itself only part of a subset of a larger group of Creators/Creations adding up to an even more vast Arch-Creator beyond them.
Either way, whatever is in those Octaves above, it would presumably help explain the Creator's motivations.