12-07-2017, 11:15 PM
I hope you're right Glow, but I will chime in, because I'm my mouthy self, and might pull an E_S on accident from a prior incident, so I will try not to insult anyone too much.
Dante, the reason men aren't fighting back is because there is a campaign in media, from movies to shows to advertisements to porn, these is a movement to infantilize men. Alongside widespread pressure to conform, and the history of expectation. Men are expected to be strong and silent, to not feel, and above all to not complain. Then in lieu of the societal prejudices against men AND women, that women are somehow less violent than men, and men somehow less gentle than women, it becomes almost absurd in that perspective to BELIEVE a claim by a man that he was sexually harassed or more actually raped. Some could argue, how do you rape a penis? It's not supposed to be usable without being aroused which argues if a man can be raped. Totally ignoring the reality that genitalia can be in an aroused state during rape, it doesn't mean there is consent, you wouldn't say a women who was forced to orgasm during rape didn't get raped. How does this change when it's a man?
My friend actually asked his girlfriend, how does she feel when a man rapes a woman? Pretty bad. But then he asks her, how does she feel when a woman rapes a man? She said that was 'hot'.
That's a glimpse into the kind of media agenda going on. The domination of male is arousing, it's almost like 50 shades of grey signaled an end to an era of sexuality, now women are empowered, and more, they are being heard. Are we worried now they will do what men coming into power did? Abuse it? Overuse it? Suppress the masculine the way the masculine suppressed the feminine? I mean, I wouldn't blame them, and as Glow said, it'd fit the swinging of the pendulum. I just hope that means men will become a commodity the way society has pictured women to balance things out, an I hope it means the feminine will become the outreaching principle, especially if the male one is suppressed to never reach out, a balance becomes needed that only another side can provide in those circumstances.
I think it is a bit dangerous, to just believe anyone who says a prominent figure raped them. What's stopping a Russian intelligence agency from paying several dozen women to file sexual harassment claims against an important political figure to force him out of office? How does one prove harassment when there's only the words to use? Further, how can a man feel comfortable and safe enough to say something?
You might be aware that (oh my god what's his name...) UHHHHH ERRRRR
KEVIN SPACEY, has had a recent milieu of claims made against him by other men whom all say he sexually harassed them. (And this may be totally inappropriate but for comic relief, I must say though, I don't think Kevin Spacey could sexually harass me ah hah hah hahah! Anyway.)
In that light it could be said that men are especial targets for allegations of sexual misconduct now, irregardless of sexual orientation. Men and Women are willing to come out and say against a man that he harassed them.
You don't see the same against women.
Balance is apparently a swing, eventually it'll stop swinging, but when will that be? When peace and equanimity is acquired? Where catalyst becomes harder to spawn? Without the strain? I don't think the pendulum will stop swinging.
Women will come to be in power, then the time will come and go, then men will acquire it, then lose it, and it becomes a circle of re-acquiring and re-losing. A very empty circle that serves to produce catalyst in sufficient amounts.
It's just like how you don't ever hear about how women ruin men's lives but you hear about how much of a pig men can be. You never hear about the woman who took everything from a man, or the woman whom entraps a man, you never hear about it because it's in bad taste socially.
Women are supposed to be this spitting image of beauty, purity, and all things gentle, whether gothic or hippie. To see that spitting image in the light the way we portray men, sexually chauvinistic, would be degrading to the female image.
Men are already degraded, women empowered. This is just becoming more in focus now. Some would say Trump beating Hillary was a blow to female empowerment, but in reality, it was a blow to male integrity, now we have some of the ugliest male traits being flaunted openly to the whole world, this is how American Men are.
What's there to fight back against? The war is already lost, men handed over the reigns without knowing it. An agenda to infantilize men.
That's on top of the agenda to fill the heads of young girls with ideas of what a boy is, and what a girl is. Now women are wearing anything they want, some even want to walk around topless! And the men's plea to this distraction is called gross, our sexuality is determined as disgusting, or at the least, dirty. How dare we tell a woman what to wear! How dare we ask her to cover her thighs and midsection and butt cheeks and under boob! We're such dirty nasty men for even looking!
And similar insults can be flung at the female.
This is a highly charged issue, we will get mad at each other. Let's just try to not let it escalate too far.
Here comes the catalyst.
What do you think Dante? You have interesting and admittedly very deep perspectives, what all do you see is going on?
Dante, the reason men aren't fighting back is because there is a campaign in media, from movies to shows to advertisements to porn, these is a movement to infantilize men. Alongside widespread pressure to conform, and the history of expectation. Men are expected to be strong and silent, to not feel, and above all to not complain. Then in lieu of the societal prejudices against men AND women, that women are somehow less violent than men, and men somehow less gentle than women, it becomes almost absurd in that perspective to BELIEVE a claim by a man that he was sexually harassed or more actually raped. Some could argue, how do you rape a penis? It's not supposed to be usable without being aroused which argues if a man can be raped. Totally ignoring the reality that genitalia can be in an aroused state during rape, it doesn't mean there is consent, you wouldn't say a women who was forced to orgasm during rape didn't get raped. How does this change when it's a man?
My friend actually asked his girlfriend, how does she feel when a man rapes a woman? Pretty bad. But then he asks her, how does she feel when a woman rapes a man? She said that was 'hot'.
That's a glimpse into the kind of media agenda going on. The domination of male is arousing, it's almost like 50 shades of grey signaled an end to an era of sexuality, now women are empowered, and more, they are being heard. Are we worried now they will do what men coming into power did? Abuse it? Overuse it? Suppress the masculine the way the masculine suppressed the feminine? I mean, I wouldn't blame them, and as Glow said, it'd fit the swinging of the pendulum. I just hope that means men will become a commodity the way society has pictured women to balance things out, an I hope it means the feminine will become the outreaching principle, especially if the male one is suppressed to never reach out, a balance becomes needed that only another side can provide in those circumstances.
I think it is a bit dangerous, to just believe anyone who says a prominent figure raped them. What's stopping a Russian intelligence agency from paying several dozen women to file sexual harassment claims against an important political figure to force him out of office? How does one prove harassment when there's only the words to use? Further, how can a man feel comfortable and safe enough to say something?
You might be aware that (oh my god what's his name...) UHHHHH ERRRRR
KEVIN SPACEY, has had a recent milieu of claims made against him by other men whom all say he sexually harassed them. (And this may be totally inappropriate but for comic relief, I must say though, I don't think Kevin Spacey could sexually harass me ah hah hah hahah! Anyway.)
In that light it could be said that men are especial targets for allegations of sexual misconduct now, irregardless of sexual orientation. Men and Women are willing to come out and say against a man that he harassed them.
You don't see the same against women.
Balance is apparently a swing, eventually it'll stop swinging, but when will that be? When peace and equanimity is acquired? Where catalyst becomes harder to spawn? Without the strain? I don't think the pendulum will stop swinging.
Women will come to be in power, then the time will come and go, then men will acquire it, then lose it, and it becomes a circle of re-acquiring and re-losing. A very empty circle that serves to produce catalyst in sufficient amounts.
It's just like how you don't ever hear about how women ruin men's lives but you hear about how much of a pig men can be. You never hear about the woman who took everything from a man, or the woman whom entraps a man, you never hear about it because it's in bad taste socially.
Women are supposed to be this spitting image of beauty, purity, and all things gentle, whether gothic or hippie. To see that spitting image in the light the way we portray men, sexually chauvinistic, would be degrading to the female image.
Men are already degraded, women empowered. This is just becoming more in focus now. Some would say Trump beating Hillary was a blow to female empowerment, but in reality, it was a blow to male integrity, now we have some of the ugliest male traits being flaunted openly to the whole world, this is how American Men are.
What's there to fight back against? The war is already lost, men handed over the reigns without knowing it. An agenda to infantilize men.
That's on top of the agenda to fill the heads of young girls with ideas of what a boy is, and what a girl is. Now women are wearing anything they want, some even want to walk around topless! And the men's plea to this distraction is called gross, our sexuality is determined as disgusting, or at the least, dirty. How dare we tell a woman what to wear! How dare we ask her to cover her thighs and midsection and butt cheeks and under boob! We're such dirty nasty men for even looking!
And similar insults can be flung at the female.
This is a highly charged issue, we will get mad at each other. Let's just try to not let it escalate too far.
Here comes the catalyst.
What do you think Dante? You have interesting and admittedly very deep perspectives, what all do you see is going on?