11-17-2017, 10:30 AM
(This post was last modified: 11-17-2017, 11:35 AM by rva_jeremy.)
(11-17-2017, 12:33 AM)Steppingfeet Wrote: Again on paper that seems logical, but when I dig in, it just confounds me.
I seem to be confusing everybody lately. Sorry!
(11-17-2017, 12:33 AM)Steppingfeet Wrote: This higher self being (future us) can reach across time, to some degree enter this illusion, see through our eyes, and "make better use of catalyst than we typically can"?
Ra does admit to catalyst being inefficiently used here. And one can assume that the majority of the quantity and quality of catalyst is shunned from our human perceptory webs.
Well, I'm just speculating, but think about how much better use could you make of events from your childhood now? I don't think the higher self experiencing our catalyst is exactly like that, but it gives one an idea of the kinds of possibilities we're talking about. If we're going to discuss it in language, all we really have is metaphor, unfortunately.
Let's also remember that the degree to which the higher self could ever enter the illusion through this ritual window is rather slight. It can only happen in this specialized ritual space that we create and are obliged not to allow to indefinitely persist. It's not like the higher self is dealing with the boss at work or one's spouse, in other words -- I don't think the magical personality would ever have access to the kind of vivid, direct experience that we in waking, normal life deal with. Maybe, as you suggest later, this is precisely what makes it so adept at using catalyst, if we can clearly distinguish catalyst from experience.
(11-17-2017, 12:33 AM)Steppingfeet Wrote: Actually, now that I think of it, consider how Ra describes meditation as a means of allowing experiential data to "sink" into the roots of mind.
10.14 "The foundation or prerequisite of these exercises is a predilection towards what may be called meditation, contemplation, or prayer. With this attitude, these exercises can be processed. Without it, the data will not sink down into the roots of the tree of mind, thus enabling and ennobling the body and touching the spirit."
Perhaps we are armored against or impervious to most catalyst. Though catalyst originates in the subconscious regions, processed catalyst tends to consciously register (if at all) in the more superficial layers of consciousness.
Perhaps, then, the higher self is optimally poised to register, process, and assimilate catalyst in a way that our veiled and armored 3D minds are not.
Yeah, I like to be rather methodical about how I talk about this topic. For others reading this, according to Ra's archetypal perspective, our lot in incarnation is to approach catalyst through the "container" of experience: the time-dilated, sequential phenomena that comprise "what happens to us" that we can think about as our lives. Genuine catalyst, however, lies behind the scenes--while it is the motivating factor of (significant) experience, it gets overshadowed by the incessant barrage of details in our lives that attends incarnate experiential phenomena. Anything deeper than that we view askance, at best. The time/space, more abstract catalyst is made clear and workable by incarnate, space/time experience, but the experience is not itself the catalyst (although, keep in mind that many use the word "catalyst" to mean "catalyst as manifested in experience". I'm trying to be more precise/pedantic here because I think the distinction is important to understanding how the time/space analog might function).
I imagine it's possible that the higher self can use the magical personality to more easily apprehend the underlying catalyst, since (if I'm not mistaken) catalyst is a time/space phenomenon at root?
(11-17-2017, 12:33 AM)Steppingfeet Wrote: Maybe you're saying something similar? What we register of catalyst and what the higher self in our shoes as the higher self would register exist at different ends of the catalyst spectrum.
Yeah, basically. We've discussed this before, but I believe we don't actually deal with catalyst directly in waking 3d -- instead, we conflate catalyst with experience because the latter is how catalyst manifests in space/time. Experience is catalyst projected into space/time life, as it were. Catalyst is, in fact, something we're much more likely to get clear on in meditation, dreams, etc., where the engine of experience is understood to be affect, feeling, concept, etc.
The interesting thing about the higher self taking over via the magical personality would be the possibility, I'm speculating, that catalyst could be dealt with much more directly, without having to be in the container of experience -- that the analog has more tools that would allow for catalyst, crossing the threshold from time/space, to get through to us.
Your point about catalyst sinking into the roots of mind via meditation is a great corollary to that, because I get the sense that meditation is a space/time incarnate entity's best way of experiencing time/space consciously. In other words, what if meditation is the way we, as incarnate, space/time selves, project into time/space?
I'm glad I'm not the only one talking about this, and that there's a bunch of us weighing in. I feel like I'm just typing up concepts as they drop into my head, but I absolutely love being part of a community that draws out new insights from each of us. So grateful for y'all!