(08-07-2017, 05:01 PM)Elros Wrote:(08-07-2017, 03:22 PM)Cainite Wrote: So if you get annoyed or angry by witnessing rape for example or child molestation, you're not being accepting of your own rapist aspect?
Quote:18.12 Questioner: You stated yesterday that forgiveness is the eradicator of karma. I am assuming that balanced forgiveness for the full eradication of karma would require forgiveness not only of other-selves but forgiveness of self. Am I correct?
Ra: I am Ra. You are correct. We will briefly expand upon this understanding in order to clarify.
Forgiveness of other-self is forgiveness of self. An understanding of this insists upon full forgiveness upon the conscious level of self and other-self, for they are one. A full forgiveness is thus impossible without the inclusion of self.
Funnily enough my new signature I made this morning seems to relate to this while I didn't have time to read your thread. A bit reverted but under the same principle that self and other-self are one.
About three weeks ago I was speaking of oneness to someone from work and used rapists as an example. I said how could I be the judge of rapists when I contain no drive toward rape? How am I great to not rape when it is easy and natural not to from within my current configuration, and what do I know of the hardships of such deeds when they come from an obssessed drive one has no power over and which might have been repressed again and again and again, perhaps with the self finding itself disgusting each time just as hating itself, until it gets so strong the act is done? How do I know I wouldn't be as weak to face such drives and become as powerless to turn myself into a rapist also?
Under Oneness I know I can do no better and the mirror is mine own, then there is the work to find love for the weaknesses which allows this. How unwhole must one feel to do such deeds? Is it not also worthy of compassion?
Interesting perspective. I was never "raped" but I was messed with as a little kid by a man, maybe two. I never harbored judgement toward him, it likely would have been a different process if it was a violent act but even as a tiny kid I saw his unwholeness, the broken spot he was trying to fix. It did leave me feeling unclean, I faced the catalyst of self judgement and self abandonment really early.
My friend(parallel incarnation) a guy, was raped as a child, not violent again but alcohol was used and manipulation. He is angry,and disjointed emotionally still 30+ years later, the older man has now commit suicide so its even more obvious he was extremely troubled. I thought that would help him to stop the judgement and self judgement but it has done nothing. The wound persists.
One day last year he commented nearly in tears that with our connection(same energy so it calls you home) if we had been related he would have been "uncle touchy". Instead of that inspiring forgiveness in him (like I expected it to)it seemed to inspire further judgement, of self/other self.
Long story short, I think we all know rape, and child abuse is wrong to perpetrate and should be stopped but seeing it through the lens of compassion brings growth and healing, avoiding the mirror just deepens the judgement toward self and other self.
Its not that intolerance of the ACT is wrong just refusing to see what is behind the act is never going to lead to healing, or growth for anyone victim or perpetrator.