09-03-2017, 09:36 PM
Hmm! Where to begin? First, the Abrahamic traditions - Judaism, Christianity and Islam - lost what little understanding they had of the Spiritual Realm many centuries ago. Google "Council of Nicaea" to see how this happened in Christianity: basically, the priests concocted childishly simple "tall tales" for the masses, and locked away the esoteric stuff for their own use. Over time their understanding of it atrophied, having neither real humanitarian use for it, nor external challenges to "keep them on their toes". The same happened in the others: the Qubalah, the Qur'an etc. What they now call "spiritual" is merely psychic: the true spiritual is and has long been lost to them.
This is a VERY large topic. As briefly as I can, a human can be viewed as having three aspects, but the only terms for them are in Sanskrit: the Tamasic, physical or material body, the Rajasic, psychic or energy body, and the Sattvic, spiritual or "timeless" body. Re-incarnation is a cyclic process of physical incarnation, death of the physical, existence for a time in the psychic body, and back into the physical, typically dozens of times during early evolution until the spiritual body starts to awaken. I'll point you to another page on a different section of the website, but as I said, it requires years of study AND experience to understand these things:
http://vitency.com/npw/NPW-170625.html
> Besides, only your physical body can die. So what's the problem?
Wrong. The psychic body can and does die under certain circumstances, typically at the end of a cycle of lives during a particular phase of evolution. This is both desirable and necessary. The biggest problem some of the Grey races face is that they CANNOT die: they have learned to exist indefinitely as psychophysical beings, have done so for countless thousands of years, are literally "bored to insanity" by the endless repetitions of their lives, and are seeking "the peace which passeth understanding", that cannot be found in either physical or psychic existence.
> May you elaborate on what your interests in the musical consciousness are?
Music speaks to the generation that composes it. I'm well past retirement age: the music that lives on in my heart is of the 50s, 60s and 70s, with a VERY few later bits and pieces, and some of the better classical. Your musical experience will be quite different from mine, and you'll have to seek out your contemporaries to discuss it.
> Well I guess I'm just wondering - on what basis do you recommend departing Earth?
I don't recommend it: it's what I'm working at myself. Other Wanderers will be doing the same. Some may be sufficiently compatible for us to cooperate, others not. I have no interest in telling others what to do, nor even advising them unless they make a specific request, and even then I'm cautious.
> If you are talking about post-incarnation departure, then there is no need for preparation at all, as I understand it.
On a planet where a healthy STO race begins space travel, it's first done in the psychic realm, since the psychic body can be sustained in space far more easily than can the physical. After preliminary explorations have discovered what possibilities lie ahead, the more difficult task of physical space travel is then undertaken. The first essential for anything other than "Ford Model T" technology is a correct understanding of gravity. The ideas of your scientists about that are completely misguided, and quite useless for technological development. You'll be stuck with primitive reactive propulsion systems (rockets etc) until they progress, and this is highly unlikely.
> You just... leave. You're a spirit once you leave the body. You can do anything after death.
Sorry, that's a fantasy I won't bother reponding to. You'll need to do a great deal more study in this area.
> Also - who is it that you recommend leaves the planet Earth? What is your target population for this endeavor?
Myself and whatever close associates I make during the final phases of development and off-planet excursions. Maybe half a dozen, maybe a few hundred. I'm not here to "save the Earth" - never have been.
> Everything's second-hand, isn't it? Only thing you can trust is yourself - firsthand.
That's correct. You need to develop more "first-hand" knowledge.
> Regarding the Hopi tradition ... he adheres too much to a concrete tradition instead of internal Source.
A great deal of wisdom can still be found in many ancient cultures, but it requires deep digging to find it; and almost all of their practitioners have fallen into ossified religious dogmatism - completely useless. A good example of a rare individual who has attained deep insight into his own tradition is the Zulu shaman Credo Mutwa - google him for more.
This is a VERY large topic. As briefly as I can, a human can be viewed as having three aspects, but the only terms for them are in Sanskrit: the Tamasic, physical or material body, the Rajasic, psychic or energy body, and the Sattvic, spiritual or "timeless" body. Re-incarnation is a cyclic process of physical incarnation, death of the physical, existence for a time in the psychic body, and back into the physical, typically dozens of times during early evolution until the spiritual body starts to awaken. I'll point you to another page on a different section of the website, but as I said, it requires years of study AND experience to understand these things:
http://vitency.com/npw/NPW-170625.html
> Besides, only your physical body can die. So what's the problem?
Wrong. The psychic body can and does die under certain circumstances, typically at the end of a cycle of lives during a particular phase of evolution. This is both desirable and necessary. The biggest problem some of the Grey races face is that they CANNOT die: they have learned to exist indefinitely as psychophysical beings, have done so for countless thousands of years, are literally "bored to insanity" by the endless repetitions of their lives, and are seeking "the peace which passeth understanding", that cannot be found in either physical or psychic existence.
> May you elaborate on what your interests in the musical consciousness are?
Music speaks to the generation that composes it. I'm well past retirement age: the music that lives on in my heart is of the 50s, 60s and 70s, with a VERY few later bits and pieces, and some of the better classical. Your musical experience will be quite different from mine, and you'll have to seek out your contemporaries to discuss it.
> Well I guess I'm just wondering - on what basis do you recommend departing Earth?
I don't recommend it: it's what I'm working at myself. Other Wanderers will be doing the same. Some may be sufficiently compatible for us to cooperate, others not. I have no interest in telling others what to do, nor even advising them unless they make a specific request, and even then I'm cautious.
> If you are talking about post-incarnation departure, then there is no need for preparation at all, as I understand it.
On a planet where a healthy STO race begins space travel, it's first done in the psychic realm, since the psychic body can be sustained in space far more easily than can the physical. After preliminary explorations have discovered what possibilities lie ahead, the more difficult task of physical space travel is then undertaken. The first essential for anything other than "Ford Model T" technology is a correct understanding of gravity. The ideas of your scientists about that are completely misguided, and quite useless for technological development. You'll be stuck with primitive reactive propulsion systems (rockets etc) until they progress, and this is highly unlikely.
> You just... leave. You're a spirit once you leave the body. You can do anything after death.
Sorry, that's a fantasy I won't bother reponding to. You'll need to do a great deal more study in this area.
> Also - who is it that you recommend leaves the planet Earth? What is your target population for this endeavor?
Myself and whatever close associates I make during the final phases of development and off-planet excursions. Maybe half a dozen, maybe a few hundred. I'm not here to "save the Earth" - never have been.
> Everything's second-hand, isn't it? Only thing you can trust is yourself - firsthand.
That's correct. You need to develop more "first-hand" knowledge.
> Regarding the Hopi tradition ... he adheres too much to a concrete tradition instead of internal Source.
A great deal of wisdom can still be found in many ancient cultures, but it requires deep digging to find it; and almost all of their practitioners have fallen into ossified religious dogmatism - completely useless. A good example of a rare individual who has attained deep insight into his own tradition is the Zulu shaman Credo Mutwa - google him for more.