11-21-2010, 09:08 PM
(11-21-2010, 08:48 PM)Experience You Wrote: Unity
But isn't that the actual paradox ? ONE is ALL, All are ONE. You are trying to use logic to separate finite from infinite into clear categories when there is no such.
That is what paradox is supposed to mean.
Well obviously from your point of view there clearly is and that to me is the beauty of reality.
it isnt a paradox.
the concept of 'reality', and 'paradox' and non-paradox are ALL concepts that came to being with the invention of finity.
higher than the level there is finity, these are not valid anymore. (despite being valid because they are still part of infinity, with all their opposites).
from the level that there is finity and lower, there are more than one existing entities.
let me put it this way :
the existence of anything other than infinity was able to come into being with the invention of finity. all those that are not entirely infinity, exist in this level or lower.
the 'illusory' or 'unreal' prefixes can only be applied to the level higher than this. ie, the level of infinity. at that level, its only infinity.
for anything to exist, it has to be finite. the concept of existing and reality comes with the concept of finiteness. higher than that level, they are not.
in short REALITY starts with the level of finite, and below. (at whichever point we have the finity concept). above that, all of these is irrelevant, and actually, there has been no change, nothing happening, nothing existing. it is infinity.
so, because of that, nothing can 'exist' and still be infinite in the manner infinity at that level is. for anything other than infinity to 'exist' (actually for the very existence of the concept 'existing'), there has to be the concept of finity about. and when there is, anything that exists, will exist out of that finity. ie -> infinite intelligence individualized from itself.
it doesnt matter how one dubs this if there is ANY individualization, in ANY manner, then that means, that entity EVEN though it is infinite intelligence individualized from itself, is, finite, as far as the concept is discovered.
with that, infinite intelligence, also becomes finite. because, as some have put it into words differently and quite specifically by citing from zen philosophy, the moment you are able to add any adjectives to infinity (zen) it means it is not infinity. (zen).
infinity is infinity. its not intelligent infinity, its not 'holographic' picture, this or that. the only state and situation infinity can be, is infinity itself. this state, cannot be duplicated or transplanted, or identified or written over by anything that is not infinity, regardless of approach. there is one state of infinity. if, anything is not in that state, even if that 'not being' is 'illusory', then it means it is not infinity.
infinite and infinity are two different concepts. the way light travels in a straight line, ra says, was made as such because it represents infinity, due to the unending straight line it travels. it represents infinity, in ONE direction. so, light's traveling is infinite, if you look at it that way.
similarly, one's inner world can also be infinite. it can expand as much as one goes. any holographic picture, can also be infinite. it can expand as much as one goes in.
but, none of these, can be infinity. because, the very existence of all of the above is only possible with the concept 'finite'. and, 'reality' or 'existing' concepts go as far as this finite concept. they are DEPENDENT on that finite concept.
so, if anything is saying 'i am', then it means, they are not infinity, because of the requirement of being finite to enable its existence.
there is no paradox. at the level of infinity, all these lose their meaning and application. even, the finite that is 'logic'. even the finite that is called 'mystery'. even finite that is called 'existing'.