05-04-2017, 10:22 PM
(05-04-2017, 04:19 AM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote:(05-03-2017, 01:52 PM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: The most appropriate response to this post would be to troll you. But I'll save you to experience, you'll realize one day there seems to be an agenda for what some trolls attack and what they accept.
In large enough numbers moderators aren't necessary, especially on high traffic boards like subreddits or image boards like the Chan's.
Post spiritual metaphysical stuff, five trolls assault your post and no one else is going to deal with it if they know they'll get attacked and trolled.
Seriously, reality isn't so simple, controlling content isn't so hard.
Um... how could you possibly think I haven't been trolled? Anyone who has been online more than, like, a few weeks has probably gotten trolled. And I've been online since the Usenet days. Hell, I've run my own message boards in the past and had to deal with trolls both as a user and as a moderator. I've even gotten my hands dirty from time to time, trolling trolls on Reddit in the past when I saw a need to run them off of a subreddit I liked. (Although I rarely bother with such games any more since it's like playing whac-a-mole, but with more negative energy buildup.)
That does not change one word of what I said. One group of people exercising their right to free speech DOES NOT and CAN NOT infringe on the free speech rights of others. You still remain utterly free to post whatever you like in a forum full of trolls. They just may turn out to be hostile to what you wrote. Once again, the right to free speech does not, in any way, imply a right to a receptive or friendly audience.
The only exception would be if the trolls went beyond verbal trolling and into actual attack activities such as doxxing or hacking. But as long as it's just people posting in a message board, then it is a pure exercise of Speech vs Speech, and that's that. And as an aside, you would be just as free to use their tactics against them. If reclaiming a forum is sufficiently important to you, then form your own brigade and attempt to rebalance the opinions in the forum to be more favorable to your point of view. Speech vs Speech.
Beyond that... I fully agree that many trolls are a-holes. But they have a right to be a-holes, and they are not restricting your rights by being a-holes.
Again. The most appropriate response would be to troll you. Hard. Consistently. Until no one deals with you in fear of also being trolled.
You think you've been trolled, but just how badly? Did you ever have a group follow you around insulting you, spreading rumors about you, debasing every little thing you said with any exception imaginable to derail you and force you away from simple conversation?
Let me simply say, I do not believe you understand the depth of the issue here, and I could argue that you're softly trolling in your arguments that highly abusive people abusing you online is not an infringement upon you.
I'll keep that in mind and make sure to highly troll any threads you make. The best way to learn is through experience after all.
Also, you seem to have your own slants of this discussion. Is it really a free environment to post something only to be attempted to be run off by others who disagree? Is that really not infringement in your eyes???
I don't know what trolls you dealt with. I had the pleasure of dealing with ones who overall did the following:
Pretended to be my friend, gave me Photoshop brushes, that had a hidden delete Windows32 virus on it.
Leaked my phone number and email, made me out as an escort and someone who would f*** dogs and goats and advertised this publicly without my knowledge with my face attached.
Followed me to every instance of online activity they could find and attacked me there.
Accrued a lolzy /b/ group to hourly sms bomb my phone so it'd die within an hour.
Signed me up via my email to every unfathomable kink site online to make my email be bombarded with disgusting emails.
You clearly haven't an idea the depth of abuse trolls can inflict or how they can destroy your self esteem.
Also, as far as I see, you just did to Cirocco what happened to E_s back in the feminism thread. You jumped to a conclusive label in judgment of a person's ENTIRE being based on a few posts.
Maybe ask for further details, at least with people here.
Ironically, I recall Cirocco once calling you a troll in how you were responding to him.
Is it not possible you don't realize you're quietly trolling someone by always derailing their posts with your own affirmations of how reality is? Just speculating, not calling.you a troll but seriously, I feel a gentle trolling vibe going on with you here and I am curious as to why you are so contrasted against such kinds of posts?
I don't personally know why its acceptable to quickly label a person based on first impressions but it really pisses me off, I think if we all stepped back and felt some compassion for each other we'd not think so lowly of each other.
Truly APW, I don't think you are aware of how badly trolling has become.
And further, CL isn't a place you'd want to defend. For a free speech medium it is awfully censored with macro's that autoflag specific kinds of posts to force only the ones the macroer designer wants.
That is infringement if you ask me. Try to run a business ad on CL to...fix computers. it'll get flagged. To sell certain belongings, might ger flagged, to find a hook up, flagged, to make a friend, flagged, to discuss certain topics, flagged.
CL is NOT supportive of free speech in that it makes no response to stop the current abusive uses of the site by people who know how to abuse it.
I had to remake a Chakra Reading post to exclude the words Divine and Divination as any post with those terms was autoflagged within minutes.
Do you perhaps realize that you're defending these abuses indirectly by arguing they are not infringing on others?