(03-17-2017, 11:58 PM)Aion Wrote: Ookay, now that I am home and on the laptop rather than my mobile phone I can give this some proper attention.
Again, I am wondering what sources you are reading this from? Who did the translation? The translation will make a difference.
As I'm reading these I have an overwhelming sense that the Enoch from the first two books, Enoch 1 & 2 are a different entity from the Enoch who is portrayed in Enoch 3. I have some personal connections to this that I haven't shared. My knowledge of the life of Enoch, the last Patriarch of Atlantis, comes moreso from my personal memories rather than anything I have read.
One thing I would note is that even though the occurrence of Enoch ascending is unique within the Abrahamic religions, there are instances in other traditions such as Tibetan Bon and Buddhism which have stories of individuals who have developed spiritually 'turning in to energy' at the end of their lives. I personally disagree that such an occurrence would automatically denote a 'negative self-harvest', as I believe the phenomenon of death to not be so linear or one-way as some think. I think it is possible for a highly developed positive entity to translate in to a higher density when it is ready to pass on.
http://www.thewayofmeditation.com.au/blo...-of-death/
Also I forgot this also happened to the Prophet Elijah.
Quote:2 Kings 2-11 As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.
This is the source: https://archive.org/download/AllTheBooks...fEnoch.pdf
The first book begins like this: "And Enoch began his story and said: There was a righteous man whose eyes were opened by the Lord, and he saw a Holy vision in the Heavens, which the Angels showed to me. And I heard everything from them, and I understood what I saw: but not for this generation, but for a distant generation that will come."
So it's Enoch relaying a prophecy. The identity of this "righteous man" seems to merge with Enoch as the book goes on, because most of it is written from Enoch's perspective.
Book two is more of the same, beginning with: ".1 There was a wise man, a great artificer, and the Lord conceived love for him and received him, that he should behold the uppermost dwellings and be an eye-witness of the wise and great and inconceivable and immutable realm of God Almighty," and not more than 8 verses later: "9 And I saluted them and was seized with fear and the appearance of my face was changed from terror, and those men said to me: 10 Have courage, Enoch, do not fear; the eternal God sent us to you, and lo! You shalt to-day ascend with us into heaven, and you shall tell your sons and all your household"
The third book is different in that it is someone named Ishmael recounting a vision he had in which an entity named Metatron, who also identifies as Enoch, showed him the Merkahbah in the Shekinah. Every chapter begins with "R. Ishmael said : Metatron, the angel, the Prince of the Presence, said to me:"
The first two books deal with Enoch's visions of the end times also described in Revelations. There's differences between the two, but they both have the basic premise of judgement being rendered upon the earth, the demons being cast down into pits, etc. The third book specifically talks about Enoch's work as Metatron within the Shekinah.
What kind of memories would you be interested in sharing? Anything that would shed more light on Enoch's character?
As far as "such an occurrence would automatically denote a 'negative self-harvest'", I agree with you in that harvesting the self mid-life via contact with Intelligent Infinity doesn't necessarily mean it's a negative adept harvesting self in negative fashion. My point was that in the case of a positively harvestable entity contacting Intelligent Infinity, the desire to serve others would lead to continued use of the incarnational state to be of the most service possible. Whereas in the case of a negative adept, they would harvest themselves to 4th density negative as soon as they contact Intelligent Infinity. Initially, I thought I was drawing that concept from the material, but now I can't seem to find any supporting information in Ra Material or Q'uo transcripts. *shrug*
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Also I'm not so sure about your assessments of the density of entities. For one, Ra never states that Yahweh was seventh density, not sure where you got that from. I will have to pull out my books of Enoch to peruse.
See this post:
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...#pid226657
Yahweh is 7th density, acting in service to others as a Guardian in this area of the Creation.
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Another thing is that according to Ra it wasn't the Sons of Belial who influence the Ark of the Covenant it was the Sons of Levi. According to Ra this was originally positive as a resting place for Moishe/Moses most prized writings, it was only later corrupted by being used as an elite 'holy place'. I'm not sure where you get this Merkaba idea, as the Ark is a metaphysical space in my understanding.
Ahh, I'm sorry. I seem to have gotten the two confused. In fact, I forgot there were even two of them in two different time periods.
That's interesting about the Ark! I didn't realize it was something sacred to Moishe. I thought it was a piece of tech. I just found this passage regarding it:
Quote:60.17 Questioner: Thank you. I don’t know if this question will result in any usable direction, but I think I must ask it. What was the Ark of the Covenant, and what was its use?
Ra: I am Ra. The Ark of the Covenant was that place wherein those things most holy, according to the understanding of the one called Moishe, [were] placed. The article placed therein has been called by your peoples two tablets called the Ten Commandments. There were not two tablets. There was one writing in scroll. This was placed along with the most carefully written accounts by various entities of their beliefs concerning the creation by the One Creator.
This Ark was designed to constitute the place wherefrom the priests, as you call those distorted towards the desire to serve their brothers, could draw their power and feel the presence of the One Creator. However, it is to be noted that this entire arrangement was designed, not by the one known to the Confederation as Yahweh, but rather was designed by negative entities preferring this method of creating an elite called the Sons of Levi.
and the next:
Quote:60.18 Questioner: Was this a device for communication then? You said they also drew power from it. What type of power? How did this work?
Ra: I am Ra. This was charged by means of the materials with which it was built being given an electromagnetic field. It became an object of power in this way and, to those whose faith became that untarnished by unrighteousness or separation, this power designed for negativity became positive and is so, to those truly in harmony with the experience of service, to this day. Thus the negative forces were partially successful but the positively oriented Moishe, as this entity was called, gave to your planetary peoples the possibility of a path to the One Infinite Creator which is completely positive.
This is in common with each of your orthodox religious systems which have all become somewhat mixed in orientation, yet offer a pure path to the One Creator which is seen by the pure seeker.