Is there a veil in the hell realms?

[sjel]

There are some beings who have never been incarnate (at least, in the way we are familiar with in the physical), that people will call "demons', but this just a human interpretation of their reality, but there is something you need to understand about these beings: their realm is not "hell" to themselves. They naturally evolved there. They are not demons any more than a spider is a demon for eating a fly, or a wolf is a demon for eating a rabbit, or a cat is a demon for eating a mouse. It is a natural state of 2nd density evolution for these beings.

Are you saying 'demons' are second density?? But aren't there intelligent demons that can latch on to you in vulnerable mental states or in trips through astral spaces? And do you mean that demons simply spread their negativity as a natural result of their instinct?

All of the people who experience so called hell during near death experiences are simply products of not having gone far enough into the death experience to realize they were simply witnessing a lower vibrational interpretation of the death experience. If they had gone further into the experience, their experience would have turned positive.

How could one view a hell state as positive? I've been in extremely dissonant states and managed to interpret it positively but never a true 'hell' state that I can remember.

But even for the beings that get temporarily lost among the astral planes, there are constant opportunities for waking up to the fact that they are doing it to themselves and thus opportunities for moving into a higher and more pleasant states of consciousness.

In Buddhism there is a description of several types of hell. The one that stuck with me was the Narakas, the ice hell realms. The first level of this hell, Arbuda, is described to be similar to bipedal existence - the inhabitants are naked and fully grown, the sheer cold raises blisters on the skin, and - this is the kicker - the length of time spent in this realm is said to be as long as it would take to empty a barrel of sesame seeds if you took out one sesame seed every hundred years.

That's just the first level of Naraka. There are eight Narakas, and the length of time spent in each one is twenty times the length of the one before it.

Okay. A few questions about this. What is the purpose of even mentioning this at all? Is Buddhism also tainted by the same fear that taints Christianity? (I feel like I sense some of this fear in Hinduism as well, perhaps all the religions have the fear in their structure, just as a byproduct of being introduced into the human world. Thus the importance of choosing love for oneself despite what great religions teach you.)

Second, why would the length of time spent in each of these Narakas be the same regardless of one's karma? Or am I misinterpreting what they said.


Third - I have a strange attraction to hell. Like the thought of enduring unfathomable suffering and maintaining steady awareness of the One is an almost erotic fantasy to me. Am I insane for thinking that after, maximum, a few years of such suffering, I would be able to easily accept it?

Here's my thinking: right now, on Earth, I have the potential, the capability, of doing much good, of doing much bad, of suffering much, of enjoying much. Therefore it is more difficult during the foggy dissonant states, because I think, "I could be doing something useful for humanity right now." But if I knew that the next thousand years were to be nothing but unending suffering, I could simply sigh with relief that no effort is necessary, no thinking, no decision-making - just endurance of pain.

Pure endurance of pain is easy. I've begun to relish periods in which I accidentally stub my toe so hard that it blots out all other thoughts - this period of time is like an orgasm. I think of nothing else but the pain, and it ceases to be something undesirable. It becomes a single-pointed experience of focused awareness, which is ultimately one of my goals. So being in severe pain provides the welcome surprise of being forced into a highly meditative state. Then I am sorry to see the pain go! because during the pain it was so easy to meditate.

(Of course this does not mean that I seek out pain or inflict it on myself - simply that I greatly enjoy it whenever it arises.)

Didn't really plan to write this much, but what I'm getting at is my theory that hell is actually, literally heaven if you want it to be. Like right now, I see no difference if I were to take my being to those hell realms versus take them to pleasure realms. In fact I prefer the hell realms to pleasure realms, for it allows me to expand myself. Discomfort is actually superior to comfort for spiritual growth.

Hmmm, don't really have a point for this last part. It just spontaneously came out, my idea of hell. I kind of just realized I'm not afraid of hell at all.

What I am afraid of is unawareness. I am afraid of becoming unaware.