Personal Experience of "Mind Control"

[Infinite Unity]

I'm going to poke my nose in and make a few statements...

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SMC, I applaud you in your honesty...And I wish I could hug you and say everything is going to be okay...  But I ironically understand your frustration with this community, and I personally don't want to see you, or anyone, go.  I left this place once, and am back now because I've found it's really the only place that has a pure and genuine energy of love as I can find on the internet.

So with that in mind, I suggest to you with love.  Please don't go, I think you just come off powerfully and that creates a lot of defense in others and they respond with the same sharpness they perceive in your posts.  I too at first felt that way especially towards your last post, but then I took my advice to you in another thread, and I stepped back and reread what you said without my emotional defense mechanism on RED ALERT.

I think you have a point in mentioning that the Like function does help create a un/popular dichotomy on b4 that is to me a bit...out of place...Sigh, but if it the will of things...  You will personally notice I have not Liked a single post.  I never plan to do so.  I'll post my likeness of a post, otherwise I don't wish to influence others by putting my name at the bottom of a post, I don't want to be part of a ganging up on...I've been there, and it fucking hurts so bad when another joins in to neutralize you.  Have some tears of mine, won't you?  I'm really sorry that you feel the ways you do...

But, I think I might...Maybe see a glimpse of why you have such a strong presence about your posts.  You said you felt suicidal now and then still, and I can't say I see that or feel that from you, but if you're anything like me, those energies are fed by emotions like anger and frustration, and I think you have a lot of frustration.

Not towards b4 or anything, but just in general, just like I have a lot of anger...  And you seem to handle it more calmly than I, because were I you, and I saw Kaaron's reply and all of those likes underneath it, you can bet safely an arm and leg that I'd have been broken by that experience and gave everyone a nice long novel of my hatred.  Instead, you didn't do that, and I admire that about you.

I admire that greatly actually, as someone who's already broke once and flipped my crap at this forum, I'm happy to see you handle such as you did.  I was wrong to think of you like I did in the other thread, but here I want you to know.

I'm sorry for what you've experienced during your time here, and I greatly think your beliefs towards this place now lead you to the encounters you have here, I can't specify what your beliefs are or how your encounters go on here but I want you to know that you're not alone in how you feel...

With that said, if I could make some statements you might not like.  I think Kaaron was touching upon something regards posting habits.  If your physical life doesn't match your online life, then maybe it's all about expression, and people are just mistaking your expressions for something else than what you intended.  I personally find it exponentially easier to express myself online (but I also lack anyone to be deep and honest and profound with), so I find it interesting when I see people who are hampered by the online medium.

All I want to suggest to you, is, well... I feel you have an entirely soft and loving side of expressing your dissatisfaction, won't you speak to us as a guiding mother would a child, with the softness of tone, and not the critical tone?  I know it is rude of me to ask this of you considering the circumstances, but I just want to help you not be received by others in such sad ways, and sadly that can't be asked of others when they all agree with one another, so it falls on you to meet these energies and remain yourself without succumbing to the want to look at them all and point out their faults.  I think you can do this, I think you've the softness and kindness to do so.

I think, you know the pain and suffering, and have the beauty of love such experiences leave in those scarred, and I think you can express that and not have others feel issue with you.  If you don't desire to do so then by all means, but I think your opinions and experiences and feelings are important to be shared, and if you can't share them because of
Others taking you as being rude
OR
You feel you can't be open here
Then we need to do something about this!

I still miss Bluebell, and I'd miss you too.  I don't need to know you or agree with you to miss you and not want you to go.  You're a human being, you come here, like many of us, for the joys of this place, you suffer like any of us, and feel like any of us.  Surely, both sides, the many who agree against you, and you yourself, can find some kind of compromise.

We can call the experiences therein this thread 'catalyst', but reality encroaches from 3D, is this 'catalyst' or are we just using that word to hide behind the conflict that took place in this thread?

I think everyone is in the gray here not completely right or wrong (myself included), and it is somewhat humorous to me to see such a myriad of discussions erupt from a story.  This must be how Jesus felt looking at two religion majors debate over his depicted self in the bible, one screaming at another about how he was loving and a symbol of divine justice, while the other screams back saying he's not white and not loving and not how he appears to be.  The energies of 3D go on and on as two souls who might be best friends in the afterlife accuse one another in their humanity.

If the issue of this material being mistaken as channeled material akin to the Ra Material is so pertinent, why not move this thread into the Treehuggers forum where nonmembers can't read it and current members can view it as Ashim's personal experience and not a supplementary information to tack onto the Ra Material?

I think SMC and Kaaron should apologize to one another and seek forgiveness.  Maybe you both feel you were wronged and in the right, in many ways this is both correct and incorrect, what matters now is the words are said, the deeds done.  What will you both do now?

Will you continue on as you were?  Will you pm one another and resolve this soundly and discuss your issues openly and wholly with one another, leaving out no comment?  Will you just grit your teeth and utter a simple sorry?  Or am I wrong in my assessment and suggestions and will you both turn on me?

I'd be fine being the scapegoat if it means you two can have a common goal and desire to bridge each other to one another and no longer fight...

^^^That's all A of C.

B.  Regards the issues pertaining towards the drug concepts in this thread.  If I could just cut through the fat of the issues and make a resounding statement...

We understand the consequences.

Simple as that.  I'd like to see studies with ratio comparisons of synthetic drug compound users who are fine to those who suffered ill-effects.  I find most studies purposefully leave out vital information such as (this isn't a legit example) how 1 out of 25 people will acquire a mental illness from smoking synthetic weed.  That number would be high to me, but for all I know it's 1 out of 2500 people and vastly lower.

Similarly, I'm no expert on LSD, I have tried again and again to get access to it but it seems the universe is protecting me from it.  Still, I think the consequences aren't understated, but I think the rewards justify the risk for a lot of people.  Hence, again, we understand the consequences.

I believe it is everyone prerogative to do as they will.  Want to try and channel a 6D entity while tripping balls on LSD?  Like, go for it dude, but I wouldn't recommend it, but I won't bar you from it, but again I highly suggest you not try it.

As for synthetics, similar opinion, go for it if you want, but like with ANY SUBSTANCE, please use in moderate and spaced out amounts so the body is not overwhelmed and damaged from the substance.  I doubt anyone smoked a single bowl of spice and lost their mind.  I imagine the major psychotic breaks came majorly from those who used the stuff like cigarettes, 7 joints a day, 5 bowls a day, back to back.

And unless I see a medical study taking into account such things and divulging the commonness of these occurrences, I'd like to potentially manifest reality by believing it is somewhat nearing very rare for a person to, from a few experiences, acquire a severe mental illness from smoking spice or doing a tablet of LSD.

Ironically my only experience with shrooms was highly negative after a positive period.  I spent a nice amount of time (over 10 hours) convulsing in bed and thinking I was being assaulted by a succubus after a couple of hours of a lovingly clean high.

So it's everyone's discernment that is important, you'll typically figure out quickly if something is or is not for you, and in the first times trying a substance, you shouldn't be like me and do that stuff all alone.  If things go bad, you want someone there to take care of you.

These common things should be what is discussed of these drugs, finding ways to minimize the damage, rather than just discussing if the damage is worth considering, because the fact is people are going to do that stuff even if it's not recommended.

Back in prohibition days, the government itself began poisoning bootlegged alcoholic products (which resulted in a lot of deaths by the way, thanks Government!) in an attempt to dissuade their already illegal distribution.  I imagine when people still kept dying the Government scratched it's head wondering why it's brutal method of combating illegal substance consumption was resulting now in more deaths than the substance itself caused.

I see a similar theme in this thread in the discussion of drugs.  I feel like we're looking at the entire subject from a judgmental viewpoint of if drugs are or are not worthy to consider.  Don't poison the substance, don't bar it, make it legal and tax the living ever crap out of it.  And, for real society, stop treating those addicted to such substances as criminals, an addict is not a criminal, not always anyways.

That's B of C, so far I feel like I'm setting myself up for everyone's dissatisfaction to be aimed at me...  I'd rather that than it aimed at each other, I feel I deserve it from my past on this forum anyways, so if your feelings have been redirected at me, thank you, please be angry at me and not the others...

C. Ashim, as for your story.

Damn it man, post moar.

Also, definitely make your disclaimer more specific to the issues you've not been told of so as to dissuade such issues from further arising for you.

I've enjoyed the story, and was...A bit put off to see how right I was at the mixed reception of this story.

Still though, it has given us all a chance to heal, as a community, and without this story to make such a possibility manifest, we wouldn't have the chance now to inwardly look again at ourselves as participants of this community and how we interact with one another, and garnish from those experiences further ways to make future experiences more enjoyable and loving for everyone involved as well as create some healing, most notably towards Smc who I think needs it more than anyone else, because of the suffering she's been loving enough to share openly with us, not because she's wrong or damaged or anything, but because as I see it, she's suffering, and deserves now our love even if she doesn't want it.

I wanted love even as I lashed out at others...Can't we try to give love to someone even if we have issue with their way of being in the present moment?  I wanted love when I assaulted Monica, I wanted love as I insulted Jade.  Love can make us say some pretty strange things, can make us come off much worse than we intended...  I didn't realize how deeply scathing my remarks in the past were until I reread them a year later.

Maybe I'm overstating a potentially seen much wanted and needed response by a majority of the community as being 'mean', I still think when someone is as I was, hurting and responding with those energies at the forefront of their formulation of a post, we should still try to be as the guidelines ask of us, loving.

Sometimes we say mean things, sometimes we overreact, sometimes we go on long journeys of suffering that others cannot see.  I don't think anyone did the wrong thing, I think precisely we have here a ripe chance for positive polarization, offering of forgiveness, extension of love, and acquiring an understanding of each other we might not have been able to appreciate prior to these experiences having occurred.

Let's all try to forgive one another, please?

And I like Min's idea of splitting the thread, could we possibly put the smc/kaaron conflict in the community relationships forum and the jade/aion discussion in the olio or diet and health forum?

AND AGAIN, I don't think we should look to blame anyone as inciting catalyst or being a problem, I think the conflict in this thread is a misunderstanding...And that we should look for the love to be had from this conflict instead of feed it further with explanations or defenses or anything other than the application of love, compassion, forgiveness, and light.

I apologize if I am out of line...  I don't like seeing people fight...

I personally like the like button, not because of an inflated ego. Rather it brings my attention back to that conversation. Were not voting for who is right and wrong. Also everyone doesn't use the like button with the same intent. If you feel like your being ganged up on...but I'm sorry to say your the one drawing the line in the sand. I am not attacking Smc, and I don't think anyone else is either. We are simply exchanging ideas, and opinions. There are bound to be opinions you will find that do not coelsce with what you believe or have faith in. I hope you stay as well. I definitely can feel your a genuine seeker. I apologize if I hurt your feelings or faith. I do not mean to demeaning.