Personal Experience of "Mind Control"

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Right on, it's very true that we all just see what we want in the elements that Ra presents. I'm just trying to present what Ra has said about things more thoroughly. Your initial post said "Ra didn't say LSD was bad and even said it could be helpful" which is only partially true. There are obvious drawbacks that Ra mentioned were possible, and really what I'm talking about are the manifestations of ill effects experienced by Carla. I mean, if a weakening of the vital energies was the negative entities who planned this experience's plan C, I can only imagine what it might have done to someone who had weaker spiritual energies than Carla, as that was her strength. Apparently a loss in polarity and a negative sexual energy transfer with Jim were the real prizes - three months + of increased illness was just the consolation prize.

For sure, in the context of Carla I can agree with you. However, I would not take that to mean that every experience with LSD ever is manufactured by negative entities, that seems a little far-fetched to me but seems to be the warning you are trying to put forward?

There were both drawbacks and benefits described by Ra and the helpfulness/unhelpfulness of which was conditional to Carla's condition.

Just for curiosity, do you have much personal experience with LSD?

Although perhaps we should continue this in another thread (there probably already is one, I know I've had this discussion before lol).

I think intoxicants are probably one of the most controversial elements in spiritual circles.

I have never taken LSD, and probably wouldn't if offered. My husband has taken enough for the both of us. I've taken shrooms several times, that's my hallucinogen of choice. Got any?

My point was never to advocate against LSD, my point was to be wary about synthetic marijuana chemicals. I was just using the Ra quotes about LSD because they seemed applicable.

I am not against LSD. To me, it seems like you're advocating that people SHOULD use LSD and try to channel Ra - which is the only reason I've been going on with you about this. Why is that? If intoxicants are so controversial, why are you acting like it wouldn't affect anyone if they just took a little LSD and tried to contact entities? Why are you saying things like "Ra never said LSD was bad" when they obviously had warnings about using it (general warnings, not just for Carla)? Why are you saying that Ra never condemns or condones the use of LSD when they clearly state that Carla should not use it?

I'm also not saying that all LSD is from negative entities or anything of the sort. But even when Carla used it for "programming service to others", it was set up by the negative entities because the drawbacks were more substantial than the benefits. My warning being that if an entity is ENCOURAGING you to take SYNTHETIC CHEMICALS to BLOW OPEN YOUR UPPER CHAKRAS, maybe in the context of the Law of One that this should be a red flag, and that maybe the entity doesn't have your best interests in mind and that maybe you shouldn't do it.

Now for the third or fourth time I've inserted this quote in this thread:

That is the work of wind and fire. The spiritual body energy field is a pathway, or channel. When body and mind are receptive and open, then the spirit can become a functioning shuttle or communicator from the entity’s individual energy of will upwards, and from the streamings of the creative fire and wind downwards.

The healing ability, like all other, what this instrument would call paranormal abilities, is effected by the opening of a pathway or shuttle into intelligent infinity. There are many upon your plane who have a random hole or gateway in their spirit energy field, sometimes created by the ingestion of chemicals such as, what this instrument would call LSD, who are able, randomly and without control, to tap into energy sources. They may or may not be entities who wish to serve. The purpose of carefully and consciously opening this channel is to serve in a more dependable way, in a more commonplace or usual way, as seen by the distortion complex of the healer. To others there may appear to be miracles. To the one who has carefully opened the door to intelligent infinity this is ordinary; this is commonplace; this is as it should be. The life experience becomes somewhat transformed and the great work goes on.

I'm not arguing for/against LSD. I'm making statements of caution based upon what the Ra material says about these things. I'd rather take Ra's advice to carefully and consciously work on opening the channel to intelligent infinity. Slower work, but less dangerous.

As I said, my only point was towards choice. I think you are making some assumptions about the 'set up' but I've no need to dig in to it with you. I see nothing wrong with your advice, caution is always better, but Ra did NOT say it was 'bad', literally did not, so I'm not sure why you keep bringing that up as a counterpoint. I agreed that Ra said it was potentially both beneficial and harmful.

I was not advocating for its uses but rather equalizing the warning with some optimism. The existence of the chemical may not be so doom and gloom.

I have not done any psychedelics for quite some time but I have a good handful of LSD trips, I've had a good handful of psilocybin trips and a long, long period of meditation and reflection upon my experiences. I believe that after you have a trip it needs to be 'diffused' through your consciousness so the more you do in a shorter amount of time the more catalyst you will have 'back up', hence the 'speeding up' effect that Ra describes with the adjacent 'slowing down' of the burn out. So I can personally agree that anyone with low vital energy could really mess themselves up in the process, I've seen it, I know people who have 'gona crazy' on psychedelics.

However I have also seen some incredible transformations and people finding release and discovering themselves in a whole new way. I have seen profoundly positive effects from it especially in the way of community. So while I do not advocate its use I do believe that used with the right intention (I will say here that seeking to channel an entity is proooobably not at all the right intention) it can be beneficial.

Part of me just really wonders what that session would have been like if they had started trying to channel Ra while Carla was still peaking and full of energy rather than at the end during the burnout as it seems suggested in the session. However, ultimately I think the scenario is a 'catalyst' and as such is a lesson of warning in and of itself.

However, I think everything in life comes with some warnings and even something as natural as going out for a walk in the wilderness can be very dangerous to some if they don't know what they are doing. The same is true for most of life's experiences I have found.

So, the warnings and caution are good, as these things should not be approached lightly as they can have very real and lasting effects. In the context of channeling I would never, ever use it personally, not any psychedelics for that matter. In that regard you can say I definitely agree, however the use with different and I believe more personally focused intentions is a wiser way to approach in the event someone feels compelled to try.

If you are giving words of warning and advice to the people who have not tried or are inexperienced then you can see I am giving words to those who are probably already intending to try it anyways. Rather than to discourage those who might also seek some interest in that field I would rather give cautions in the event of use rather than merely advocating abstinence. I see us both as trying to be sensible around a fickle subject.