3D Wrote:...That said, I will now bow out of this discussion and leave it everyone to explore for themselves whether or not it's worth achieving a better understanding of STS. As I've said before, it works for me.
I feel I too have expressed what I felt needed expression and as such have perhaps exhausted the impetus of my involvement in this conversation. I then too express and concur my sentiments to yours in kind to also leave it to everyone to decide for themselves as well whether it is worth exploring a better understanding of STS, but caution all to do so with the guideposts of the Ra Messages verses the conjecture and opinion of others, or more importantly those on the self professed STS path (as implied in my last post). I take it in faith that Ra has gone to great efforts to become involved in our welfare, and this for many thousands of our years. I further take in faith that Ra has a restitution or desire to make a correction of sorts, and therefore has more at stake in the outcome for the STO path than does an individual in 3D on the STS path. This is not a great leap of logic and seems self-evident.
To your second and more interesting point (in reverse order):
(04-14-2009, 01:39 PM)3D Sunset Wrote: [quote='Quantum']
The supposition above holds that if one is not 51% positive in STO that one then is ipso facto STS as a result?
3D Wrote:Hi Q. I was actually wondering when someone would comment on my statement.
Ra, Book I, Session 17 Wrote:Questioner:In the book Oahspe it states that if an entity goes over fifty one percent service to others and is less than fifty percent service to self, then that entity is harvestable. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct if the harvesting is to be for the positive fourth dimensional level.
Questioner: What is to be the entity’s percentage if he is to be harvested for the negative?
Ra: I am Ra. The entity who wishes to pursue the path of service to self must attain a grade of five, that is five percent service to others, ninety-five percent service to self. It must approach totality. The negative path is quite difficult to attain harvestability upon and requires great dedication.
Questioner: Why is the negative path so much more difficult to attain harvestability upon than the positive?
Ra: I am Ra. This is due to a distortion of the Law of One which indicates that the gateway to intelligent infinity be a gateway at the end of a straight and narrow path as you may call it. To attain fifty-one percent dedication to the welfare of other-selves is as difficult as attaining a grade of five percent dedication to otherselves. The, shall we say, sinkhole of indifference is between those two.
Questioner: Then if an entity is harvested into the fourth density with a grade of fifty-one percent for others and forty-nine percent for self, what level of the fourth density would he go into? I am assuming that there are different levels of the fourth density.
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Each enters that sub-density which vibrates in accordance with the entity’s understanding.
3D Wrote:I will grant you that I extrapolated from these statements to the conclusion that there are only two motivations for every action/thought/etc, but I profess that this concept is very aesthetic to me: If an action that you take is not motivated toward serving others, then it is oriented toward serving yourself (and vice versa).
Is it possible that there is a third category of motivation and thought or action? One of neutrality? Service to no one, so to speak? Perhaps, but that seems to me as more a convenience to allow one to fool oneself about their underlying motivations.
Hello back to you my friend. It is always most interesting to read your well thought out suppositions and responses. I commend you also on the ability to remain academic as well as perhaps neutral, this by remaining focused to the thrust of the argument/debate verses the author. It demonstrates an ability to remain scholarly if not altogether academic.
To your question and supposition as to there being a neutral ground or a third category: Interesting. I might offer that true neutrality is perhaps only a relative term academically in as much as one is either moving forward or moving backward, but hardly possibly remaining still in neutrality at all times. This might only exist in true time/space verses our present space/time. The total lack of neutrality is the primary objective, prize, and reason for our choosing to be here, i.e. to gain in polarization. I do however acknowledge the question irrespectively as a most interesting one. I suspect and conjecture (based on the Ra quote) that much like the graduate into 4D positive harvest of only a mere 51% vs his brother at 60% that he would achieve a 4D positive degree but at a lower sub-density than his brethren in 4D positive having achieved 60% (again as given by Ra) and that moreover this is in fact what takes place at all times in all dimensions and densities as I conjectured in my thread of The Harvest/ "What is everyone's gut feeling on 2012", beginning with post #176, and to a lessor extent in my thread of Earth in 3D - 7th Octave/ "Strictly Law of One", i.e. other levels of consciousness resulting in other sub-densities of existence. Now to your question as regards my previous post it begs that might this mean that "right here right now in 3D" we coexist in the same third density but do not co-exist in the same sub-octave/sub-density? Thus we are in the same world, but not of the same world?
Is it any wonder then that we are continually speaking Greek to one another almost always as though through a veil of intended distortion?
Should you, or any choose to respond, would you care to do so on another thread, or continue here?
All is well,
Q