11-05-2016, 05:07 PM
Just some counterpoints below. I'm not trying to argue, rather, I'm just discussing and I don't pretend to be an expert on the issues.
While this is a good reason to "break the glass ceiling" in general, and I agree this kind of change is important, it is not a reason to elect Clinton specifically.
Could you elaborate on what that means from Clinton's point of view? I'm not sure what you refer to.
As far as I can tell Obamacare (or whatever the official term is) is not benefitting the public. I can see where it is benefitting the medical system and insurance companies.
Living wage is complicated in my opinion. It involves a global perspective and many layers of concern. I don't really have a solid opinion on that because I don't have any idea how to take even a first step toward respect for all workers and business owners. I do like the idea of an EOC (Employee Owned Company). There is polarization between employers and employees and therein lies misunderstanding. Employees often think "the boss" is their enemy and making all the money. While this is sometimes true (the money, not the enemy), it is often the business owner making sacrifices. Part of that is because it's so expensive just to have a business with taxes and licenses, etc. It's a fallacy that America is for small business.
What about Clinton's previous views on same-sex marriage? Was she just trying to placate the Christian right? f so,
That seems like a candle in the wind to me. I'd like to think it was true, but why do we use a nuclear threat at all to begin with? Why aren't we spending money on defense instead of offense. One does not equal the other. I don't believe we aren't tech-savvy enough to come up with a defense against attack other than the ridiculous way we have handled it in the last century, and for that matter, going back millennia.
The whole "health" industry—which is to say allopathic medicine, insurance companies, and pharmaceutical companies—exploits people unendingly. Let's start with that.
As far as abortion goes, I don't champion or not champion it. It's simply too far out of my paradigm to think what to do about it as it stands presently. The sentiment behind the Supreme Court getting involved, however, is worth discussing. It could be said to be the same sort of slavery Catholicism imposes on people that they can't use contraception. So to think that decision could be overturned is nonproductive and I think religion-based.
I would like to see more respect for all life—including the planet and all creatures on it. That we still have a death penalty is mind-blowing to me. As far as abortion, if we could just evolve as a species we wouldn't be in this quagmire of having to legislate things like freedom of choice for a woman and whether or not abortion is ethical and what stages it is.
I seriously doubt that anyone in our current political system will be able to do that without full-on demand from the public, or until we evolve as a species.
Full-on demand would have to be action-oriented and not just complaining to the TV.
I just don't understand how gerrymandering is gotten away with in the first place.
The whole US political system operates off of vote-buying. That's one reason I like the Green Party because they don't take lobbyist's money or super pacs.
We could start by not allowing hundreds of millions to be spent on campaigns.
Clinton so far: $1.3 BILLION!! spent on her campaign
Trump so far: $795 MILLION spent on his campaign
source:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/...n-finance/
I would love to take over $2 BILLION and use it to feed people who are starving for instance, rather than use it for advertising and marketing political candidates.
And a president should not be allowed 2 terms. The last year of the first 4 are spent on campaigning—how stupid is that? But to go over all the ridiculous details of our current corrupt political system is moot.
The system doesn't work. And I think a first baby step is to stop buying into the 2-party system.
(11-05-2016, 03:50 PM)herald Wrote: 8 Reasons to vote for Secretary Clinton:
To communicate with otherselves in our social complex called the USA that:
We stand for electing a woman to be our spokesperson and that our country shamefully lags behind in electing females to national offices.
While this is a good reason to "break the glass ceiling" in general, and I agree this kind of change is important, it is not a reason to elect Clinton specifically.
(11-05-2016, 03:50 PM)herald Wrote: We stand for the health and welfare of our children.
Could you elaborate on what that means from Clinton's point of view? I'm not sure what you refer to.
(11-05-2016, 03:50 PM)herald Wrote: We demand a decent living wage and basic health insurance that is not dependent on a corporations to dole about to privileged employees.
As far as I can tell Obamacare (or whatever the official term is) is not benefitting the public. I can see where it is benefitting the medical system and insurance companies.
Living wage is complicated in my opinion. It involves a global perspective and many layers of concern. I don't really have a solid opinion on that because I don't have any idea how to take even a first step toward respect for all workers and business owners. I do like the idea of an EOC (Employee Owned Company). There is polarization between employers and employees and therein lies misunderstanding. Employees often think "the boss" is their enemy and making all the money. While this is sometimes true (the money, not the enemy), it is often the business owner making sacrifices. Part of that is because it's so expensive just to have a business with taxes and licenses, etc. It's a fallacy that America is for small business.
(11-05-2016, 03:50 PM)herald Wrote: We stand for the rights of people who love each other and are committed to their earthly co-existance to have the same basic rights as heterosexual married couples.
What about Clinton's previous views on same-sex marriage? Was she just trying to placate the Christian right? f so,

Quote:Clinton came out in support of same-sex marriage in 2013 after more than a decade of opposing it. But her views are particularly in the spotlight now that she is a presidential candidate.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...-marriage/
(11-05-2016, 03:50 PM)herald Wrote: We will tirelessly and courageously pursue all diplomatic strategies towards peace with our adversaries and never use our nuclear threat in a flippant or bellicose manner.
That seems like a candle in the wind to me. I'd like to think it was true, but why do we use a nuclear threat at all to begin with? Why aren't we spending money on defense instead of offense. One does not equal the other. I don't believe we aren't tech-savvy enough to come up with a defense against attack other than the ridiculous way we have handled it in the last century, and for that matter, going back millennia.
(11-05-2016, 03:50 PM)herald Wrote: We will tell the word that the USA can hold together this great gift of democracy with a proper Supreme Court that would never allow women or their health providers to be to be punished for making an unpopular reproductive decision.
The whole "health" industry—which is to say allopathic medicine, insurance companies, and pharmaceutical companies—exploits people unendingly. Let's start with that.
As far as abortion goes, I don't champion or not champion it. It's simply too far out of my paradigm to think what to do about it as it stands presently. The sentiment behind the Supreme Court getting involved, however, is worth discussing. It could be said to be the same sort of slavery Catholicism imposes on people that they can't use contraception. So to think that decision could be overturned is nonproductive and I think religion-based.
I would like to see more respect for all life—including the planet and all creatures on it. That we still have a death penalty is mind-blowing to me. As far as abortion, if we could just evolve as a species we wouldn't be in this quagmire of having to legislate things like freedom of choice for a woman and whether or not abortion is ethical and what stages it is.
(11-05-2016, 03:50 PM)herald Wrote: We might possibly begin the process of repairing our broken financial system. (Trump is only Trump, the elephant he is riding is much bigger than he even appears to be, Clinton is kicking alongside Sanders, Warren, etc.).
I seriously doubt that anyone in our current political system will be able to do that without full-on demand from the public, or until we evolve as a species.

(11-05-2016, 03:50 PM)herald Wrote: If a Republican picks the next Supreme Court Justice, Gerrymandering and vote buying might as well be carved into the floor of the Capitol -if you know what i mean…
I just don't understand how gerrymandering is gotten away with in the first place.
The whole US political system operates off of vote-buying. That's one reason I like the Green Party because they don't take lobbyist's money or super pacs.
We could start by not allowing hundreds of millions to be spent on campaigns.
Clinton so far: $1.3 BILLION!! spent on her campaign
Trump so far: $795 MILLION spent on his campaign
source:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/...n-finance/
I would love to take over $2 BILLION and use it to feed people who are starving for instance, rather than use it for advertising and marketing political candidates.
And a president should not be allowed 2 terms. The last year of the first 4 are spent on campaigning—how stupid is that? But to go over all the ridiculous details of our current corrupt political system is moot.
The system doesn't work. And I think a first baby step is to stop buying into the 2-party system.