10-14-2016, 09:36 AM
(10-14-2016, 02:05 AM)octavia Wrote: This does raise a very interesting philosophical question. That question is "Would a theoretical perfectly balanced entity not experience tremendous suffering when grievously harmed by other-selves, or would they rather experience the tremendous suffering in a perfectly balanced way?" On the one hand, what you say of the individual who is in contact with intelligent infinity does strike me as true. On the other hand, to my understanding, there is inevitably a death to be had, whether it be after 70 years or 900 years, or even 90,000 years in 4th density, where physical pain is felt far more lightly as "weariness."
You are correct that eventually, no matter how long a lease on life we have, we will eventually grow tired of this place and want to move on to something else. So death will occur, but it will be as nothing to us. Death doesn't have to be painful, even if others watching can't imagine that it is so.
Ra: [...] Secondly, if any entity is able to dwell completely in unity the only harm that may occur to it is the changing of the outward physical, yellow-ray vehicle into the more light-filled mind/body/spirit complex’s vehicle by the process of death. All other suffering and pain is as nothing to one such as this.
(10-14-2016, 02:05 AM)octavia Wrote: Ra's information makes me wonder: Had Jesus not gone up on the cross, would he perhaps not had that, shall we say, opportunity for forgiveness that he so did? Unfortunately I of course lack the awareness of the 7th density expression of Jeus's higher self that offers "the total data of all possible choices and all possible tracks at all decision points that have been registered along the way" [Q'uo: 1990.07.01] such that I cannot say for certain if Jesus could have chosen some 3rd path that resulted neither in the loss of his positive service nor the destruction of his physical vehicle. Thus it would surely be presumptuous of me to say that Jesus must have gone on the cross in order for him to fulfill his calling that he so heard which inspired him to wander to this planetary sphere. Therefore, all I can do is praise him for the fidelity and purity of his love & desire to serve.
That's a good point, that could very well have been a planned event to absolve that particular karmic distortion he had accumulated in his child hood.
(10-14-2016, 02:05 AM)octavia Wrote: I suppose my personal difficulty is that I have a hard time then categorically applying that model to other-selves, however. I will use small scale examples to keep the mood lighthearted. For example, let us say that another entity simply did not have enough time to complete their metaphysics homework despite the fact that they were enthusiastic about the material offered. Before class, I talk with this entity and they mention that surely they must have desired this outcome in some sense. In that context, this is satisfactory to me. In my future conversations with that person, I would then likely bring up this concept again if I thought it could be useful to them. However, although I am acutely aware of the relation between this concept and material phenomena, it is also not my desire to make a, shall we say, categorical appraisal of all who have not completed their metaphysics homework. Of course, I am also aware of the cognitive dissonance that may be perceived in this lack of a desire for such an appraisal.
I certainly don't advise proselytizing to the world the truth that we create our own realities. Those who want to know the truth will come to know the truth, and they don't need anyone to tell them it. We are all powerful infinite beings. If somebody is participating in the belief/illusion that we do not create our own realities then there is nothing wrong with that. That is the role they have chosen, at some level of consciousness, to play. People don't deliberately create negative events for themselves normally (at our level of consciousness), so you can console them just the same as you would otherwise. No need to ascribe blame to them or anything of that nature. Assist them in feeling better (without losing your own alignment), and you will have helped them regain alignment without any recourse towards discussing topics they might find consciously uncomfortable. They are unconsciously creating the experience of not having any say of what goes on in their reality, which is similar to creating the experience of randomness, even though the experience of randomness is, like everything else in the universe, a highly ordered manifestation.
The fact that people are not more aware of this truth is more a product of our society than anything else. Everybody is born with emotional awareness (but often taught to suppress it), and if they saw the causal connection between what what focused upon and the nature of the emotional reaction thereby generated, they would easily see the connection. Emotions are our spiritual compass. And if you hold fidelity to that high degree of positive emotional alignment, you will be inspired to occasionally share your truths with others, but in these circumstances the information will be welcome news that they were asking for rather than than the opposite scenario.

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