(10-14-2016, 12:19 AM)anagogy Wrote: From my perspective, the fact that he was even drawn into a circumstance where his disciple Judas would betray him was indicative of the fact that there was some degree of resistance present within him (which is perfectly human and normal -- I can't stress enough that 3rd density incarnates are practically asleep consciousness wise -- wanderer or not). I say this based on my understanding that were he in perfect alignment, the intelligent infinity within him would have prevented being sucked into any circumstance that would result in harm to him. The energy that creates worlds, and is connected to everything, would have been guiding and inspiring his every spontaneous and creative impulse. Of course, there is also the possibility that he didn't have a preference for what happened (I'm slightly less inclined to believe this but it must be acknowledged as a possibility).
This does raise a very interesting philosophical question. That question is "Would a theoretical perfectly balanced entity not experience tremendous suffering when grievously harmed by other-selves, or would they rather experience the tremendous suffering in a perfectly balanced way?" On the one hand, what you say of the individual who is in contact with intelligent infinity does strike me as true. On the other hand, to my understanding, there is inevitably a death to be had, whether it be after 70 years or 900 years, or even 90,000 years in 4th density, where physical pain is felt far more lightly as "weariness." [Ra: 43.10]
Here is another anecdote which may be interesting to consider in relation to Judus's betrayal of Jesus:
Quote:[17.19] Questioner: How did Jesus learn this during his incarnation?
Ra: I am Ra. This entity learned the ability by a natural kind of remembering at a very young age. Unfortunately, this entity first discovered his ability to penetrate intelligent infinity by becoming the distortion you call “angry” at a playmate. This entity was touched by the entity known as Jesus to you and was fatally wounded.
Thus the one known as Jesus became aware that there dwelt in him a terrible potential. This entity determined to discover how to use this energy for the good, not for the negative. This entity was extremely positively polarized and remembered more than most Wanderers do.
[17.20] Questioner: How did this aggressive action against a playmate affect Jesus in his spiritual growth? Where did he go after his physical death?
Ra: I am Ra. The entity you call Jesus was galvanized by this experience and began a lifetime of seeking and searching. This entity studied first day and night in its own religious constructs which you call Judaism and was learned enough to be a rabbi, as you call the teach/learners of this particular rhythm or distortion of understanding, at a very young age.
At the age of approximately thirteen and one-half of your years, this entity left the dwelling place of its earthly family, as you would call it, and walked into many other places seeking further information. This went on sporadically until the entity was approximately twenty-five, at which time it returned to its family dwelling, and learned and practiced the art of its earthly father.
When the entity had become able to integrate or synthesize all experiences, the entity began to speak to other-selves and teach/learn what it had felt during the preceding years to be of an worthwhile nature. The entity was absolved karmically of the destruction of an other-self when it was in its last portion of lifetime and spoke upon what you would call a cross saying, “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.” In forgiveness lies the stoppage of the wheel of action, or what you call karma.
This is incredibly fascinating information to me, for Ra tells us not only of Jesus's, shall we say, turbulent penetration of intelligent infinity, but also that his forgiveness/absolution of karma occurred while he was on the cross.
Ra's information makes me wonder: Had Jesus not gone up on the cross, would he perhaps not had that, shall we say, opportunity for forgiveness that he so did? Unfortunately I of course lack the awareness of the 7th density expression of Jeus's higher self that offers "the total data of all possible choices and all possible tracks at all decision points that have been registered along the way" [Q'uo: 1990.07.01] such that I cannot say for certain if Jesus could have chosen some 3rd path that resulted neither in the loss of his positive service nor the destruction of his physical vehicle. Thus it would surely be presumptuous of me to say that Jesus must have gone on the cross in order for him to fulfill his calling that he so heard which inspired him to wander to this planetary sphere. Therefore, all I can do is praise him for the fidelity and purity of his love & desire to serve.
Then, speaking of the topic of Jesus's choices offered to him, and the lines upon the branching tree of choices he selected, I most certainly agree with what you say here:
(10-14-2016, 12:19 AM)anagogy Wrote: The problem is there is literally no example that could be brought up that can prove it one way or the other because you can never TRULY know the contents of anothers' mind. Thus, any example you bring up I can always just recourse to that fact, so it ultimately becomes pointless to find exceptions to the rule. It will never prove it one way or the other.
We can really only know our own minds, and I can only say that I have seen my consciousness reflect itself into my experience. So at some point, you can only look within yourself to know whether this is true or not. I certainly don't blame anyone for not thinking its true. I didn't for a very long time.
When I, shall we say, rifle through the contents of my own memory and past experiences, I have difficulty thinking of anything that I cannot see myself desiring in some sense, whether that be pre-incarnative planning, the resolution of karma, the resolution of a distortion, or some such other mechanism.
Sometimes I will imagine myself as the recipient of some kind of catalyst that strikes me as significant, such as losing my limbs, or one of my senses such as sight. Then I will ask myself: "What sort of information/learning could I get out of such a unique experience? In what way could I use this learning to be of service?" [Because 3rd density, is quite a unique, brief, and turbulent experience indeed.] I find it to be a fun thought experiment, as well as a very useful one for processing unchallenged fears. So far, I have imagined possible, shall we say, gems that I could find in such catalyst.
I suppose my personal difficulty is that I have a hard time then categorically applying that model to other-selves, however. I will use small scale examples to keep the mood lighthearted. For example, let us say that another entity simply did not have enough time to complete their metaphysics homework despite the fact that they were enthusiastic about the material offered. Before class, I talk with this entity and they mention that surely they must have desired this outcome in some sense. In that context, this is satisfactory to me. In my future conversations with that person, I would then likely bring up this concept again if I thought it could be useful to them. However, although I am acutely aware of the relation between this concept and material phenomena, it is also not my desire to make a, shall we say, categorical appraisal of all who have not completed their metaphysics homework. Of course, I am also aware of the cognitive dissonance that may be perceived in this lack of a desire for such an appraisal.
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