08-22-2016, 03:25 PM
(08-22-2016, 02:56 PM)Aion Wrote:(08-21-2016, 05:50 PM)anagogy Wrote:(08-21-2016, 05:14 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: I still think that Infinity comes before awareness. Infinity existed without awareness, and then awareness came, and reflects infinity back on itself like shards of an infinite mirror.
That's interesting. That's the polar opposite of how I perceive it.
My understanding is that nothing can exist without awareness there to perpetuate it's existence. If a tree falls in the forest and no consciousness is there to be aware of it, what is the difference between it happening and not happening? How would you measure its reality?
Consciousness validates existence because it *IS* existence. To augment Descartes' famous statement, "I am aware, therefore I AM." Or we could just replicate the famous Bible quote: "I AM THAT I AM"
To me, infinity existing before awareness is sort of like nothingness existing before somethingness. It is a logical dead end or contradiction to me. From my vantage point, intelligence and consciousness are inseparable. One implies the other (I can't, of myself, honestly logically define them separately). So if the One Infinity is infinite intelligence, and always has been, then it should logically follow that is has always been conscious.
But if you have a different picture of the absolute, its all good. These are just answers which have made sense to me, personally, and I like to share them with others.
When Ra speaks of infinity becoming aware, I've always strongly felt they were implying 'self aware'. Essentially, when infinity became self aware it 'chose' to perceive its own infinite substance as a sort of "object". Doing this reflexively divides infinite subject from infinite object, or primal mind, from primal matter (I'm not talking about physical matter). In spirit, they are unified and indistinguishable. Mind is the portion of consciousness that "self reflects" the infinity of beingness, or spirit, as the exploration of finite material investiture. The whole reason creation continues indefinitely is because infinity, the unquantifiable, cannot be fully reflected in matter (primal object), it cannot be fully known or quantified, thus the material illusion of finite creation is free to continue in an eternal present.
I believe Seth said something similar in regards to one of the "creative dilemmas" of All That Is. He talked about how inner vitality desired to fully materialize itself, but was unable to, which led to action or creation.
The 'shards of broken mirror' you reference in my view is simply the individuate minds, reflecting the original mental reflection of the Logos, and with each increasing individuation another shard of broken mirror appears, holographically reflecting all light that touches it. Reflections, within reflections, within reflections.
Quote:13.5 Questioner: Thank you. Can you tell me of the earliest, first known thing in the creation?
Ra: I am Ra. The first known thing in the creation is infinity. The infinity is creation.
13.6 Questioner: From this infinity then must have come what we experience as creation. What was the next step or the next evolvement?
Ra: I am Ra. Infinity became aware. This was the next step.
13.7 Questioner: After this, what happened?
Ra: Awareness led to the focus of infinity into infinite energy. You have called this by various vibrational sound complexes, the most common to your ears being “Logos” or “Love.” The Creator is the focusing of infinity as an aware or conscious principle called by us as closely as we can create understanding/learning in your language, intelligent infinity.
Well, this is what Ra says. Infinity first and then infinity became aware, which was the 'next step' after infinity.
Even if you suggest that awareness emerges as an element already existent in infinity you still have to allow Infinity to exist first for it to be inherent in.
Quote:1.7 Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that the universe is infinite. This has yet to be proven or disproven, but we can assure you that there is no end to your selves, your understanding, what you would call your journey of seeking, or your perceptions of the creation.
Ra has stated himself that he does not know what is beyond, and beyond the 8th. When dealing with the concept of Infinity, something cannot have a beginning because then something else must have created/started this beginning thus creating a paradox contradictory to Infinity.